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Geometry Level 5

In A B C \triangle ABC , D D and E E are points on B C BC such that B D = D E = E C BD = DE = EC . F F is a point on A C AC such that A F = F C AF=FC . If A D AD and A E AE intersect B F BF respectively at P P and Q Q . Then, the ratio B P P Q \dfrac{BP}{PQ} can be expressed as a b \dfrac{a}{b} , where a a and b b are coprime integers. Find 10 a + b 10a+b .


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The answer is 53.

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4 solutions

Surya Prakash
Aug 22, 2015

Construct D I DI and E J EJ parallel to B F BF with I I and J J on A C AC .

Since, B D = D E = E C BD = DE = EC . It implies that F I = I J = J C FI = IJ = JC . So, F J : F C = 2 : 3 FJ : FC = 2 : 3 . But since A F = F C AF = FC . So, A F : F J = 3 : 2 AF : FJ = 3 : 2 .

Observe that, A Q : Q E = A F : F J = 3 : 2 AQ : QE = AF : FJ = 3:2 .

Now let us do another construction. Draw a line parallel to A D AD passing through Q Q and meeting B C BC at Z Z .

Observe that D Z : Z E = A Q : Q E = 3 : 2 DZ : ZE = AQ : QE = 3 : 2 .

So, B D : D Z = D E : D Z = D Z + Z E : D Z = 2 3 + 1 = 5 : 3 BD : DZ = DE : DZ = DZ + ZE :DZ = \dfrac{2}{3} +1 = 5 : 3 .

But, it is clear that B P : P Q = B D : D Z = 5 : 3 BP : PQ = BD : DZ = 5 :3 .

So, a = 5 a=5 and b = 3 b=3 . Therefore, 10 a + b = 53 10a+b = \boxed{53} .

Moderator note:

Good approach with using the parallel lines to help determine the ratios via similar figures.

I joined EF and then proceeded

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 1 month ago

A great and simple approach bro!!!

Subhiksha ND - 5 years, 9 months ago
Figel Ilham
Aug 24, 2015

By Menelaus Theorem of Transversal Line, we need to find the ratio of E A A Q \frac{EA}{AQ} to find the ratio of B P P Q \frac{BP}{PQ}

Thus, we have the E A A Q \frac{EA}{AQ} via the transversality of point B , Q , F B, Q, F C B B E E Q Q A A F F C = 1 \frac{CB}{BE} \frac{EQ}{QA} \frac{AF}{FC} = 1 3 2 E Q Q A 1 1 = 1 \frac{3}{2} \frac{EQ}{QA} \frac{1}{1} = 1 E Q Q A = 2 3 \frac{EQ}{QA} = \frac{2}{3}

In conclusion, we have E A A Q = 5 3 \frac{EA}{AQ} = \frac{5}{3}

Then, by finding the ratio of B P P Q \frac{BP}{PQ} , we use the transversality of A , P , D A, P, D E A A Q Q P P B B D D E = 1 \frac{EA}{AQ} \frac{QP}{PB} \frac{BD}{DE} = 1 5 3 Q P P B 1 1 = 1 \frac{5}{3} \frac{QP}{PB} \frac{1}{1} = 1 Q P P B = 3 5 \frac{QP}{PB} = \frac{3}{5} B P P Q = 5 3 \frac{BP}{PQ} = \frac{5}{3}

a = 5 , b = 3 10 a + b = 53 a = 5, b = 3 \Rightarrow 10a + b = 53

Yay Menelaus' Theorem !

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 9 months ago

Yup, same approach bro, up voted !

Venkata Karthik Bandaru - 5 years, 9 months ago

Very nice!Thanx for helping me understand this concept!

Adarsh Kumar - 5 years, 9 months ago

I did not use the theorem, but the same steps!!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago
Deb Sen
Aug 23, 2015

Let be on line segment such that is parallel to

Let , so therefore

Since is parallel to , we know that so that means

That also leads to more similiar triangles which means

Notice that , which means

Now let which means and

Also we notice . Because , is the midpoint of .

That means which leaves

and so

Kishore S. Shenoy
Aug 28, 2015

Contruction 1. Join F E 2. Draw S R B C \begin{aligned}1.~&\text{Join} FE \\ 2.~& \text{Draw }SR~\| ~BC\end{aligned}

Let,

P D = x E F = y A P = z \begin{aligned}PD&=x\\EF &=y\\AP &= z\end{aligned}

Since

B D = D E , y = 2 x x = y 2 \begin{aligned}BD &= DE, \\ y &= 2x\\ x &= \frac{y}{2}\end{aligned}

ly , z + x = 2 y z = 3 2 y F Q Q P = y z = 2 3 \|\text{ly}, \\\begin{aligned}z+x &= 2y\\ \Rightarrow z&= \frac{3}{2}y\\ \Rightarrow \dfrac{FQ}{QP} &= \dfrac{y}{z} = \frac{2}{3}\end{aligned}

Now,

B P = P Q + Q F B P = ( 2 3 + 1 ) P Q a b = B P P Q = 5 3 a = 5 b = 3 \begin{aligned} BP &= PQ + QF\\ \Rightarrow BP &= \left(\frac{2}{3} + 1\right) PQ\\ \Rightarrow \dfrac{a}{b} &= \dfrac{BP}{PQ} = \dfrac{5}{3}\\ \Rightarrow a = 5 ~~&~~b = 3\end{aligned}

10 a + b = 53 \therefore \boxed{10a + b = 53}

Moderator note:

Interesting approach constructing those lines and points. What was the motivation for that?

Interesting approach constructing those lines and points. What was the motivation for that?

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 9 months ago

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I thought for almost a full day and finally assumed some similarity, which made me happy that I got the answer finally. But after a little thought I understood that it was wrong and further kept on visualizing triangle which were similar making me reach this method! Hence the run behind similar triangles is the motivation.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago

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