Positive Series

Algebra Level 2

23 , 20 , 17 , 14 , -23,\, -20,\, -17,\, -14,\, \ldots

The above are the first few terms of an arithmetic progression .

If the sum of the first n n terms of this progression is positive, what is the smallest possible value of n n ?


The answer is 17.

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4 solutions

Paul Hindess
Jan 11, 2017

As a quick mental method, it is quick to find that the 8th term is the last negative term and equal to -2. The first positive term follows which is 1.

As the first 8 positive terms (reversing their order) are each one less than the absolutely value of the first 8 terms, we can quickly deduce that the sum of the first 16 terms will be -8 and the 17th term will be big enough to overcome this deficit...

Hence the answer is 17.

Sabhrant Sachan
Jan 9, 2017

Let the first term of sequence be denoted by a a , a = 23 a = -23 and let the common difference be denoted by d d ,

d = T n T n 1 = T n 1 T n 2 = = T 2 T 1 = + 3 d = T_{n}-T_{n-1}=T_{n-1}-T_{n-2}=\cdots = T_{2}-T_{1}=+3 .

Sum of first n n terms of the sequence is given by S n = n 2 ( 2 a + ( n 1 ) d ) S_{n} = \dfrac{n}{2} \left( 2a+(n-1)d \right)

S n = n 2 { 2 a + ( n 1 ) d } > 0 n 2 { 46 + ( n 1 ) 3 } > 0 3 n 49 > 0 Since n N n min = 17 \begin{aligned} S_{n} = \dfrac{n}{2} \{ 2a+(n-1)d \}& > 0 \\ \dfrac{n}{2} \{ -46+(n-1)3 \} & > 0 \\ 3n-49 & > 0 \hspace{5mm} \small\text{Since } n \in \mathbb N \\ n_{\text{min}} & = 17 \end{aligned}

Nice.

Small mistake: It should be n N n\in \mathbb N , not n I + n \in I^+ because I + I ^+ is not valid/predefined math notation.

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Got it. Changed the notation.

Sabhrant Sachan - 4 years, 5 months ago

Answer for n n is actually 16.33.... We take n = 17 n=17 but not 16 16 ...Why is that? I couldn't understand.

Skanda Prasad - 4 years, 5 months ago

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Actually, if you check the solution set for the quadratic inequality

S n = n 2 { 2 a + ( n 1 ) d } > 0 n 2 { 46 + ( n 1 ) 3 } > 0 3 n 2 49 n 2 > 0 n ( 3 n 49 ) > 0 \begin{aligned} S_{n} = & \dfrac{n}{2} \{ 2a+(n-1)d \} > 0 \\ & \dfrac{n}{2} \{ -46+(n-1)3 \} > 0 \\ & \dfrac {3n^2 - 49n}{2} > 0 \\ & n (3n - 49) > 0 \end{aligned}

You'll observe that the range of values of n n comes out to be ( , 0 ) ( 16.33 , ) (-\infty,0) \cup (16.33,\infty) . Since the first range is unacceptable as we can have only positive integral values for n n therefore, in the second range, the smallest value of n n comes out to be 17 17 .

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 5 months ago

Thought we would have n( 3n - 49) > 0, so why is 3n - 49 > 0 when we know that n > 0 generally for a sequence? Viewed it from a quadratic inequality approach.

ADAMS AYOADE - 4 years, 5 months ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Jan 11, 2017

The average of the first n n terms must be slightly more than zero, so the n n th term will be slightly more than + 23 +23 . That means we need more than 23 ( 23 ) 3 = 15 1 3 \frac{23 - (-23)}3 = 15\tfrac13 terms. The average of the first 16 terms would be 23 + 15 2 3 = 1 2 , -23 + \frac{15}2\cdot 3 = -\tfrac12, which is slightly too small; the average of the first 17 terms would be 23 + 16 2 3 = 1. -23 + \frac{16}2\cdot 3 = 1. Thus n = 17 \boxed{n = 17} is the answer.

Implicitly I used: Lemma: The average of the first n n terms of an arithmetic progression is equal to the average of the first and the n n th term, a i 1 n = a 1 + a n 2 = a 1 + n 1 2 d , \left\langle a_i\right\rangle_{1\dots n} = \frac{a_1 + a_n}2 = a_1 + \frac{n-1}2\cdot d, where d d is the increment.

Using this equation, we can also derive immediately that n = 1 + 2 ( a i a 1 ) d n = 1 + \frac{2(\langle a_i\rangle - a_1)}d and the condition a i > 0 \langle a_i\rangle > 0 gives n > 1 + 2 ( 0 ( 23 ) ) 3 = 1 + 46 3 = 16 1 3 , n > 1 + \frac{2(0 - (-23))}3 = 1 + \frac{46}3 = 16\tfrac13, from which the answer follows directly.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 4 years, 5 months ago

Very creative!!

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 5 months ago
Adarsh Mahor
Jan 15, 2017

U can use formulae but I'm so lazy I've used easy method that count ask -ve terms and double it to cancel it and again add 1 to it to become it +ve from 0 USE SIMPLE METHOD TO SOLVE PROBLEMS

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