Which giant number is greater?

Algebra Level 2

Which is greater,

3 5 3 or 6 2 6 ? \Huge \color{#3D99F6}{3}^{\color{#D61F06}{5}^{\color{#3D99F6}{3}}} \qquad \text{or} \qquad \color{#20A900}{6}^{\color{#69047E}{2}^{\color{#20A900}{6}}} \color{#333333}\ ?

3 5 3 3^{5^3} 6 2 6 6^{2^6} They are equal

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8 solutions

Eli Ross Staff
Sep 17, 2015

Remembering that order of operations requires us to work from the top down with exponents, we need to compare 3 125 3^{125} and 6 64 = 2 64 3 64 . 6^{64} = 2^{64} \cdot 3^{64}.

Note that 3 125 > 2 64 3 64 3^{125} > 2^{64} \cdot 3^{64} if 3 61 > 2 64 . 3^{61}>2^{64}. This is true (and can be shown via @Aareyan Manzoor 's method below), so 3 5 3 3^{5^3} is larger!

I would not expect a correct answer to have the word "clearly" in it. How can I know that 3 61 > 2 64 3^{61} > 2^{64} without calculations?

Omar Othman - 5 years, 8 months ago

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3 61 > 8 2 61 3^{61}>8*2^{61} 3 > 2 8 61 3>2\sqrt[61]{8} 1.5 > 8 61 1.5>\sqrt[61]{8} this is true since 1.5 > 8 6 1.5>\sqrt[6]{8} which doesn't need calculations.

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Fair enough, but you've done some calculations to prove something that 'doesn't need calculations'. :-)

Steve Ives - 5 years, 8 months ago

Nice solution and question.

Department 8 - 5 years, 9 months ago

I completely misread this. I thought it was [ 3 5 ] 3 [3^5]^3 . Oops...

Delano Might - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Saaaaaaame

Alan Castillo - 5 years ago

I was trying another way which looked good at first, but I don't know how to go on

6 = 3 log 3 6 6=3^{\log_3{6}}

So we have

3 125 3^{125} and 3 log 3 ( 6 ) 64 3^{ \log_3(6) 64}

which brings us to

125 > log 3 ( 6 ) 64 125 > \log_3(6) 64

Which is true if

log 3 6 < 125 64 \log_3{6}<\frac{125}{64}

6 < 3 125 64 6<3^{\frac{125}{64}}

but 3 125 64 > 3 1 + 1 2 + 1 4 = 3 3 1 / 2 3 1 / 4 3^{\frac{125}{64}}>3^{1+\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{4}}=3 * 3^{1/2} * 3^{1/4}

is there a "polite" way to estimate those numbers without brutal calculation?

Simone Di Cataldo - 5 years, 7 months ago

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raise both side ^4 3 125 16 > 3 3 2 3 4 = 3 9 81 = 2187 > 6 4 = 1296 3^{\dfrac{125}{16}}>3*3^2*3^4=3*9*81=2187>6^4=1296

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 7 months ago

why exactly 3^{125} and 6^{64} ?

omar khaled - 5 years, 8 months ago

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because 5 3 = 125 , 2 6 = 64 5^3=125 , 2^6=64

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 8 months ago

6 2 6 = 2 2 6 × 3 2 6 < 3 2 6 + 1 = 3 4 3 + 1 3 < 3 5 3 {6^{{2^6}}}\quad = \quad {2^{{2^6}}} \times {3^{{2^6}}}\quad < \quad {3^{{2^6} + 1}}\quad = \quad {3^{{4^3} + {1^3}}}\quad < \quad {3^{{5^3}}}

Thăng Nguyễn - 5 years, 8 months ago

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wrong hypothesis 6 2 6 < 3 2 6 + 1 6^{2^{6}}<3^{2^6+1} .

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 8 months ago

I interpreted the expressions in the problem statement like so: [(a^b)^c] becomes [a^(b*c)]. Now I know what the colors of "b" and "c" terms mean.

Manjunath Sreedaran - 5 years, 8 months ago

2^64=2^9.2^55=512.2^55<729.3^55=3^61

Abhinav Kumar - 5 years ago

Here's how I see the problem. When you have an exponent to another exponent, which is the case with this problem you use the Power Rule for Exponents. The power rule says to multiply the exponents and keep the base:

( x m ) n = x m n = x m n (x^m)^{n} = x^{m^n} = x^{m \cdot n} . This same applies for this problem. Using the power rule,

3 5 3 = ( 3 5 ) 3 = 3 15 3^{5^3} = (3^5)^3 = 3^{15} and 6 2 6 = ( 6 2 ) 6 = 6 12 6^{2^6} = (6^2)^6 = 6^{12} . You can rewrite 6 12 6^{12} as ( 2 3 ) 12 = 2 12 3 12 (2 \cdot 3) ^ {12} = 2^{12} \cdot 3^{12} using the "product to a power rule". Now we can compare the two number by rewriting:

3 15 = 3 3 3 12 3^{15} = 3^3 \cdot 3^{12} _ _ _ _ 2 12 3 12 = 6 12 2^{12} \cdot 3^{12} = 6^{12} . I obtained the left hand side by using the product rule for exponents in reverse. Now I can divide both sides of this inequality by 3 12 3^{12} , assuming that both sides are not same, but even if they are I can still do this. Now I can compare 3 3 = 27 3^3 = 27 and 2 12 = 4096 2^{12} = 4096 . Clearly 27 < 4096 27 < 4096 , therefore the other number, 6 2 6 6^{2^6} is larger.

Mike Grigsby - 5 years, 8 months ago

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( a b ) c = a ( b c ) (a^b)^c=a^{(b*c)} a b c = a ( b c ) a^{b^c}=a^{(b^c)} mind the brackets

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years, 8 months ago

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I see. In this case you work from the top down, not the bottom up. But I don't think I've every seen this rule before.

Mike Grigsby - 5 years, 8 months ago

This exactly my explanation also. I also have been knowing this rule for so long.

Nusrat Rumpa - 5 years, 8 months ago
汶良 林
Sep 24, 2015

Beautiful solution!

Prasit Sarapee - 5 years, 5 months ago

Awesome solution!

Eli Ross Staff - 5 years, 8 months ago

artistic manipulation! Worth praise!

pulkit gopalani - 5 years, 8 months ago

That is beautiful.

Alex Bean - 5 years, 8 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 20, 2015

Consider 3 5 2 6 2 6 = 3 125 2 64 3 64 = 3 61 2 64 = ( 2 + 1 ) 61 2 64 = 2 61 + ( 61 ) 2 60 + ( 1830 ) 2 59 + . . . 2 64 = ( 1 + 30.5 + 457.5 ) 2 61 + . . . 2 64 = ( 488 ) 2 61 + . . . 2 64 = ( 61 ) 2 64 + . . . 2 64 > 1 \begin{aligned} \text{Consider } \frac{3^{5^2}}{6^{2^6}} & = \frac{3^{125}}{2^{64}3^{64}} = \frac{3^{61}}{2^{64}} = \frac{(2+1)^{61}}{2^{64}} = \frac{2^{61}+(61)2^{60}+(1830)2^{59} + ...}{2^{64}} \\ & = \frac{(1+30.5+457.5)2^{61}+...}{2^{64}} = \frac{(488)2^{61}+...}{2^{64}} = \frac{(61)2^{64}+...}{2^{64}} > 1 \end{aligned}

3 5 2 > 6 2 6 \Rightarrow \boxed{3^{5^2} > 6^{2^6}}

Ahsan Azhar
Sep 20, 2015

125 log(3)>64 log(6)

6 2 6 = 2 2 6 × 3 2 6 < 3 2 6 + 1 = 3 4 3 + 1 3 < 3 5 3 {6^{{2^6}}}\quad = \quad {2^{{2^6}}} \times {3^{{2^6}}}\quad < \quad {3^{{2^6} + 1}}\quad = \quad {3^{{4^3} + {1^3}}}\quad < \quad {3^{{5^3}}}

Thăng Nguyễn - 5 years, 8 months ago

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No... Just no.

David Peterson - 5 years, 8 months ago
Ryan Nunley
Sep 26, 2015

Option A: 3^(5^3) = 3^125 = 3^64 x 3^61 = 3^64 x 3^6 x 3^55 = 3^64 x 729 x 3^55

Option B: 6^(2^6) = 6^64 = 3^64 x 2^64 = 3^64 x 2^9 x 2^55 = 3^64 x 512 x 2^55

Since 729>512 and 3^55>2^55, Option A must be larger.

Bayu Prahara
Mar 10, 2016

I divide each number in 6^2^6 →3^1^3 Compare with 3^5^3 and 3^1^3 so the bigger is 3^5^3

Consider ( 3 3 3 3....( 125 terms)) / ( 6 6*6.......(64 terms)) > 1 so 3 ^ (5^3) > 6 ^ ( 2^6)

Najeeb Sheikh
Sep 24, 2015

3^125 = 3^(5x25) = (3^5)^25 = 243^25.

6^64 = 6^(3x21.3) = (6^3)^21.3 = 216^21.3.

243^25 > 216^21.3

Therefore, 3^(5^3) > 6^(2^6).

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