The equilateral triangle, circle, and square shown above have equal areas. Which has the largest perimeter?
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I only understood this with a practical example - forget the circle for a minute. If the square was 2cmx2cm to make a 4cm2 area, the equilateral triangle would have to have sides that measure 4cm each. You get the area of this triangle by multiplying 4cmx4cm, then dividing by two. So the triangle perimeter is 4cm+4cm+4cm=12cm, but the square is 2cm+2cm+2cm+2cm=8cm. Yet both have the same area.
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The area of a triangle is 1/2 x base x height, not 1/2 x side x side. In the case of an equilateral triangle, the base is a side and the height is sqrt(3)/2 x side.
a circle is a the result of increasing the number, and decreasing the length of straight sides of a polygon infinitely
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Ah - you meant what I meant - we need to tackle a whole lot of misconceptions together - but it sounds more stringent if you use 'infinite limit' :)
A circle technically doesn't have infinite sides - it is the infinite limit of an n-sided polygon. (Think of a hyperbola y = 1/x - it never reaches zero on its graph, but zero is its infinite limit) I used to say what you said, because I got so ticked off with teachers (I work in junior school - that's ages 7 - 11) saying a circle had one side (not their fault - see all the work schemes, textbooks and posters), which misunderstands what 'side' means in plane geometry (see below), but my clearer-thinking sister put me right. But that does mean it has the infinite limit of the ratio of area:perimeter - which is why sensible bowls and plates are circular. (Well - it's also easier to make them.)
Any child blowing bubbles knows the answer!
The laws of nature dictate that for a given volume the shape with the smallest surface area (and hence least surface tension) will be found. That shape is a sphere. Translating that into 2D the circle has the smallest perimeter.
Conversley a shape with the largest perimeter is a 1D line, effectively zero width and two sides of infinite length!
The triangle is the next largest area, having three sides.
From there on up, through the square, pentagon, hexagon, you are getting ever closer to a circle (infinite sides of zero length)
But what does it mean to say that a circle has infinite number of sides? If you define a side to be a straight line segment that is a part of the boundary, I might as well say that there are no sides.
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Just imagine any regular polygon with n sides. Now if you make n tends to infinity, u will get a circle.
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Regular polygons work (for reference Chew-Seong Cheong answer below) - in general however one should be really careful with those kinds of arguments, especially about one's definitions. Only because two function f,g are close, ∣ f ( x ) − g ( x ) ∣ < ϵ , it does not imply that |f'(x)-g'(x)| are close. Thus one may well able to create a function, that approximates the circle well area-wise , but not necessarily its arc.
saying it has no sides might be correct in some sense since there is no counting in infinity.
Infinite sides I don't agree with, infinite vertices I do.
To do this problem, I actually made up my own measurement. it's called 1thingy (thng). 1 thng=7 mm. I measured how many thng's are in each shape. What I couId have done differently was maybe just measuring the shapes in cm. I Rate this problem a 1 because it was quite easy.
But a circle has two sides: The inside and the outside. Furthermore, if we define the region within the circle as the outside, then the circle encloses the rest of the plane, which has infinite area. /s
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that really doesn't work, though the movement into semantics is interesting. (1) A 'side' in 2D geometry = a straight line meeting a node. (2) Your argument about 'inside' and 'outside' would apply to any plane figure. (3) We do not define the area bounded by a shape as bounded by its outside, because of (2). What you say, I am sure, leads to many an interesting discussion, which I would love to join in with, but they wouldn't apply to this question.
Relevant wiki: Regular Polygons - Area
Consider an n -sided regular polygon with radius r . Then the perimeter is given by p = 2 n r sin n π . The area A = 2 n r 2 sin n 2 π ; ⟹ r = n sin n 2 π 2 A Therefore,
A p = A 2 n sin n π n sin n 2 π 2 A = 2 A n tan n π = 2 A n ( n π + 3 n 3 π 3 + 5 n 5 π 5 + ⋯ ) = 2 A n ( π + 3 n 2 π 3 + 5 n 4 π 5 + ⋯ ) By Maclaurin series
Therefore, A p decreases with n , therefore equilateral triangle ( n = 3 ) has the largest perimeter.
Note that a circle is a regular polygon with n → ∞ and it has the smallest p − A ratio of 2 π .
Wouldn't it be easier to just take the formula for the area for each, reverse it to get the function for the side, an then use that with the formula for the perimeter? Since all of them multiply by the square root of A (the area), you can eliminate it. Therefore, you end up comparing very concrete numbers: the square root of, 12 the square root of 3, the square root of, 4 Pi, and 4. You can eliminate the square roots and you end up comparing: 12 the square root of 3, 4 Pi and 16. From there it's a cake walk.
If the polygon has two sides, does that break the equation?
Excuse me, but your formula is for p, not for p/A. For the rest, it's all perfect, great!
Relevant wiki: Regular Polygons - Area
For the equilateral triangle A=s^2 (√3/4), So the perimeter p = 3 s = 4.56√A, For the circle A= πr^2, So the perimeter p = 2 πr = 2√π . √A = 3.54 √A, For the square A = (p/4)^2 , So the perimeter p = 4√A. The triangle has the largest perimeter .
Equilateral Triangle | Circle | Square |
side = α | side = β | side = κ |
S = 4 3 α 2 | S = π β 2 | S = κ 2 |
⇒ α = 4 3 2 κ | ⇒ β = π κ | ... |
p = 3 α = 4 3 6 κ | p = 2 π β = π 2 π κ | p = 4 κ |
p ≈ 4 . 5 6 κ | p ≈ 3 . 5 4 κ | p = 4 κ |
For a regular N-gon, the ratio of internal area to perimeter increases with N. If all three shapes have equal areas, the one with the biggest perimeter will be the one with the fewest sides; hence, the triangle.
For a regular N-gon, the ratio of internal area to perimeter increases with N.
Why does this phenomenon happen?
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Looks like one of the other solutions covers this in detail
Area of equilateral triangle A = 4 3 a 2 A = ( 9 a 2 ) 3 6 3 = ( p 1 ) 2 3 6 3 ⟹ p 1 = ( 3 ) 6 A where a is the length of side of equilateral triangle and p 1 = 3 a is it's perimeter.
Area of circle A = π r 2 A = 4 π 4 π 2 r 2 = 4 π ( p 2 ) 2 ⟹ p 2 = 2 π A where r is the radius of circle and p 2 = 2 π r is the perimeter.
Area of square A = l 2 = 1 6 1 6 l 2 A = 1 6 ( p 3 ) 2 ⟹ p 3 = 4 A where l is the side of square and p 3 = 4 l is the perimeter.
Now dividing p 2 p 1 = ( 3 ) 6 A . 2 π A 1 > 1 ⟹ p 1 > p 2 Similarly dividing p 3 p 2 = 4 A 2 π A < 1 ⟹ p 2 < p 3 Also dividing p 3 p 1 = 3 1 / 4 . 4 A 6 A > 1 ⟹ p 1 > p 3 Therefore, we can concluded p 1 > p 3 > p 2 Thus Perimeter of equilateral triangle is largest among above three geometric figures for given identical area.
I just look into how nature usually shape things, and also if a line have infinite area, then triangle will be the closest one after triangle
We must reduce the parameters for all 3 figures to a common base. For example, let's choose r, the side of the square, as our measuring stick. The perimeter of the square is 4r, its area is r^. Now consider the circle and let its radius be R. Its perimeter = 2 pi R and area is pi R^2.Since the areas are equal, pi R^2 = r^2, and R = r/sqrt(pi). So the circle perimeter is 2 pi r/sqrt(pi) = 2 sqrt(pi) r. Finally, consider an equilateral triangle with side s. Its perimeter is 3s and its area is equal to [sqrt(3)/4]s^2, which must equal the square area of r^2. Equating these expressions, and solving for s in terms of r, we have s =2r/[(3)^(1/4)]. The perimeter 3s, is then given by 6r/(3)^(1/4)].We can now express each perimeter as a constant*r. For the circle, P = 3.5449r, for the square,, P = 4r, and for the triangle, P =4.559r. Thus, regarding perimeters, T > S > C. Ed Gray
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If I have a piece of string with ends ties together, I can form a circle, triangle and square. Each have the same perimeter and area.
I am not sure you understood your solution. Could you please explain what you meant by "how nature usually shapes things"?
Another way of looking at the intuitive answer is that the circle is the shape with the least perimeter to area, and the more sides that a regular polygon has, the closer it is to a circle. The triangle is then the regular polygon with the least number of sides and hence the greatest ratio of perimeter to area.
easy, the less "circly" shape has the greatest perimeter, since the circle has the smallest perimeter for a given area
My solution as well, no need to do calculations.
Formula for a triangle=(b h)/2 Square= b h If the area is the same the triangle has a bigger area since you need to divide it by 2. With the square, you don't.
If we suppose the area is 1, the perimeter of the square it's 2 π , the perimeter of the triangle it's 3 1 / 4 1 2 , and the perimeter of the square it's 2 . So, the triangle has the greatest perimeter.
Everyone’s formulaic solutions are nice. I learn best with examples:
Take a blade of grass, bend it into a circle from tip to tip.
Now notice what it takes if you want to turn it into a circle or square, you have to push in on the sides of the shape. You can see that the area got smaller. The points bulge out a little, and the sides become straight lines. You can easily see that the amount the points go out is very small compared to how much is lost on the sides.
A circle is a shape with an uncountable number of points. A triangle is a shape with the minimum: 3 (try making a closed shape with only two lines I dare you). So it makes sense that if the circle is the biggest area for any given perimeter (or blade of grass) then the triangle would be the smallest.
to find the perimeter you must first find the area. go from the size of the square. fit the circle inside the square, then make it a bit bigger so their areas are the same. imagine you take the line around the circle and make it straight, the take the lines from the square and stack them together to form one straight line. compare the size of the 2 lines, you will notice that the squares line is longer. so trash the circle line and move on to the triangle. do the same to the triangle as you did with the circle, put it inside the square then make it a bit bigger so they have the same area. then put the triangle's sides together to form one line and compare the squares line with the triangles and you will see that the triangles line is bigger. their line is their perimeter so the triangle has the biggest perimeter. thats how i figured it out anyway. i find this alot easier to understand then
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To get rid of parameters (sides, radius), instead of comparing perimiters (p), lets compare k ( n ) = p ( n ) 2 / S ( n ) where n=3 for triangle, 4 for square, and ∞ for circle. This function preserves ordering. This is because S is the same in all cases, and for x>0, x 2 preserves ordering. k ( 4 ) = 4 ⋅ 4 , k ( 3 ) = 4 ⋅ 3 ⋅ 3 , k ( ∞ ) = 4 π .
k ( 3 ) > k ( 4 ) > k ( ∞ ) .
note that A = pi * r^2 for the circle, l^2 for the square, and (b^2)/2 for the triangle. we want to extract the value of the unknowns here (r, l, and b) in terms of A and the constants so that we may use these values in their respective perimeter formulas, that is 2 pi r, 4l, and 3b. once that is done set A=1 and examine the values of these perimeters.
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a circle has an infinite number of sides and encloses the most area for a given perimeter the fewer sides enclosing the same area the more perimeter is required the triangle has the fewest sides and hence has the largest perimeter