Which is larger?

Algebra Level 1

Which is larger?

A = 2 + 4 + + 98 + 100 B = 1 + 3 + + 97 + 99 + 101 \begin{aligned} A &= \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{4} + \cdots + \sqrt{98} + \sqrt{100} \\\\ B &= \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{3} + \cdots + \sqrt{97} + \sqrt{99} + \sqrt{101} \end{aligned}

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10 solutions

Jason Dyer Staff
Aug 30, 2017

Compare each term starting from the end and working forward:

101 > 100 99 > 98 97 > 96 3 > 2 1 > 0 \begin{aligned} \sqrt{101} &> \sqrt{100} \\ \sqrt{99} &> \sqrt{98} \\ \sqrt{97} &> \sqrt{96} \\ &\cdots \\ \sqrt{3} &> \sqrt{2} \\ \sqrt{1} &> 0 \\ \end{aligned}

Since every term in B B can be matched with every term in A A such that the term in B B is greater, B > A . B > A .

Great solution!

Ishan Maheshwari - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Did it the same way. No need for calculating everything. And since the smallest term of the even roots is 0,that sum has even a term less!

Peter van der Linden - 3 years, 9 months ago

Even I can understand that 🤓

Ed Newman - 3 years, 9 months ago

That's how I did it as well.

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 9 months ago

Suppressing the sqrt(101) for a moment, compare the resulting definite integrals of the two series' The difference is relatively small, so that when the sqrt(101) is added back on, B is clearly larger. Ed Gray

Edwin Gray - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Does this work if we have more terms though? Say 100000000.

Christopher Boo - 3 years, 9 months ago

I think this will not work in every case ?

Noor E Mobeen - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Which cases are you referring to?

Christopher Boo - 3 years, 9 months ago

Why complicate? Simple and easy.

luiz salles - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Yes, this is a simple and elegant solution.

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 3 years, 8 months ago

Is there a reason why you can not calculate the middle ones (...)?

Yeon Woo Sim - 3 years, 9 months ago

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We can list out the middle ones, but the author chose to omit them, as they have the same characteristic, ie 95 > 94 \sqrt{95}>\sqrt{94} .

Christopher Boo - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Thank you!

Yeon Woo Sim - 3 years, 8 months ago

b is correct and mine was correct

Shivam U - 3 years, 8 months ago

ans is b and mine was correct bravo

Shivam U - 3 years, 8 months ago

grat solution . This is the best solution i had ever read .

Ram Mohith - 3 years, 3 months ago

This needs to be under the "Basic" category, not the "Intermediate" category, because it can be decided just by comparison of size of, and number of, terms.

Dennis Rodman - 2 years, 4 months ago
Vlad Vasilescu
Aug 30, 2017

Relevant wiki: Square Roots

A = k = 0 50 2 k = 2 k = 0 50 k A = \displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{50} \sqrt{2k} = \sqrt{2}\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{50} \sqrt{k}

B = k = 0 50 2 k + 1 = 2 k = 0 50 k + 1 / 2 B = \displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{50} \sqrt{2k+1} = \sqrt{2}\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{50} \sqrt{k+1/2}

Clearly , B > A .

2k+1 > 2k for k=0...50, I think there is no need of extracting sqrt(2) as a common factor...

Jose Torres Zapata - 3 years, 8 months ago

Very elegant solution.

luiz salles - 3 years, 9 months ago

Relevant wiki: Square Roots

B 1 A B-1-A

= 101 100 + 99 98 + . . . + 3 2 =\sqrt{101}-\sqrt{100}+\sqrt{99}-\sqrt{98}+...+\sqrt{3}-\sqrt{2}

= 1 101 + 100 + 1 99 + 98 + 1 97 + 96 + . . . + 1 3 + 2 =\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{101}+\sqrt{100}}+\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{99}+\sqrt{98}}+\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{97}+\sqrt{96}}+...+\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}+\sqrt{2}}

> 1 >-1

B A > 0 B > A \therefore B-A>0 \Longrightarrow B>A

@Giovanni Cozzolongo n + 1 n = ( n + 1 ) 2 ( n ) 2 n + 1 + n = 1 n + 1 + n > 0 \sqrt{n+1}-\sqrt{n}=\dfrac{(\sqrt{n+1})^2-(\sqrt{n})^2}{\sqrt{n+1}+\sqrt{n}}=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{n+1}+\sqrt{n}}>0

Dexter Woo Teng Koon - 3 years, 9 months ago

Could you explain each step, please?

Giovanni Cozzolongo - 3 years, 9 months ago
Mohammad Khaza
Sep 10, 2017

this is a very simple problem to think.

as,A= 2 \sqrt2 + 4 \sqrt4 + 6 \sqrt 6 +...... 1 00 \sqrt100 ...................[there is 50 numbers]

and B= 1 \sqrt1 + 3 \sqrt3 + 5 \sqrt5 +..... 1 01 \sqrt101 ..................[there is 50 numbers except first one]

so, except 1 \sqrt1 , if we compare every pairs[such as 3 > 2 \sqrt3 > \sqrt2 ....] ,every time B > A B>A

so, the summation of B must be greater than the summation of A.

so, it can be easily said that, B > A B>A

How I solved the question, which I'm not entirely sure is math legal, was after examining

  • A = 2 + 4 + . . . + 98 + 100 A = \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{4} + ... + \sqrt{98} + \sqrt{100}
  • B = 1 + 3 + . . . + 97 + 99 + 101 B = \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{3} + ... + \sqrt{97} + \sqrt{99} + \sqrt{101}

    .I assumed if x > y x > y , then x 2 > y 2 x^2 > y^2 , so I treated every value in both A and B as itself squared (not necessarily A^2 or B^2)

  • A = 2 + 4 + . . . + 98 + 100 A = 2 + 4 + ... + 98 + 100

  • B = 1 + 3 + . . . + 97 + 99 + 101 B = 1 + 3 + ... + 97 + 99 + 101

    .Writing the equation like this not only makes addition significantly easier but when comparing the values of A and B. should remain true. For example:

  • c = x + y c = \sqrt{x} + \sqrt{y}

  • d = x + 1 + y + 1 d= \sqrt{x + 1} + \sqrt{y + 1} ,assuming the values for x and y are positive, d is greater than c but also ( x + 1 ) > x , ( y + 1 ) > y (x + 1) > x , (y + 1) > y .After getting the new equations I just added all the integers
  • A = 2 + 4... + 98 + 100 = 25 ( 102 ) = 2550 A = 2 + 4 ... + 98 + 100 = 25(102) = 2550
  • B = 1 + 3... + 97 + 99 + 101 = 25 ( 100 ) + 101 = 2601 B = 1 + 3 ... + 97 + 99 + 101 = 25(100) + 101 = 2601 thus getting the answer B > A B > A .My initial reasoning to get B as my answer, a little silly, but I guess worth mentioning, I figured that since B has more values than A it should be bigger lol.
Nicat Mammadov
Sep 14, 2017

Since everything is under square root, ignore it. Also, B's last element is larger than A's last element, meaning B has one more sum. We can cut things down to 2 < ( 1 + 3 ) 2 < (1 + 3) .

B-A is an alternating sum of increasing terms: the kth partial sum is positive at odd k and negative k Since there are 101 terms in the sum B-A>0 thus B>A

John Baird
Sep 14, 2017

Ignore the square roots. This is just a sum of integer sequences disguised as something "scarier". It is easy to see that 1+101=102 and 2+100=102 so the sum of two opposite or corresponding pairs will always be 50. However after counting the terms in each sequence there are 50 terms in A and 51 terms in B. Therefore there must be an extra term in the middle, namely 51, so B is 51 greater than A.

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Sep 13, 2017

Add 0 \sqrt 0 to the expression for A, and you can compare B > A B > A term by term.

Michael Aberant
Sep 16, 2017

Create a google sheets spread sheet and use the copy, paste, sum, and sqrt functions the odd sequence is greater than the even sequence by 5.4748 mainly because it has one more item

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