At the Winter Sochi Olympics Press Conference, there are 2 0 0 foreign journalists. Out of them,
What is the minimum number of foreigners that can speak all the four languages?
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I think this is the best way to solve this question .. I did it the same way....
I totally agree with you.
same thought
I am stuck with this statement - "The set of journalists that will have the MINIMUM number of people who know all 4 languages, is also the one that will have the MAXIMUM number of people who do not know at least 1 language."
Can someone please explain ?
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the set of people who do not know at least one language also includes those who dont know two or three of the four languages.Hence it excludes those who know all the languages
Awosome!!!!!!!
I think the result for " Maximum number of people who do not know at least 1 language - 135" doesn't make any sense. This basically states that out of 200 people, 135 of them do not know any language., which is absurd!
How will you proceed if you have to find out the minimum number of people who spoke at least 3 languages?
How can 135 people do not know at least one language whereas 150 already know french?
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I think Ahmed makes a good point. Perhaps a parallel way to look at the solution is with Demorgan's theorem. The disjunction of not-French, not-Japanese, not-German and not-English is equivalent to the negation of their conjunction. So to minimize the (cardinality/value of) conjunction is to maximize the negation of it, which is the disjunction. And by the PIE, maximizing the cardinality of the disjunction means setting the cardinality of interaction terms to zero.
135 people out of which 50 people don't know french(at least one language i.e french, they might don't know other languages too but it is confirm that they don't know french) Similarly 20, 25 and 40 for other languages makes a total of 135. These(135 people don't know at least 1 language or can be called as these 135 people don't know all the four languages).
There are a total of 150 + 160 + 175 + 180 = 665 languages spoken and 200 people. To minimize the number of people that speak all 4 everyone else should speak 3. If everyone spoke 3 languages there would be 3 x 200 = 600 languages spoken. There are actually 65 more languages, so 65 people speak all 4 languages.
awesome solution
plz suggest how to calculate maximum number using above method
somewhat clever (genius!)
Difficult at first sight, but so efficient !
This is right onw the above one is quite confusing.
Let us start with the min number of people speaking a language. So 150 people speak french. So remaining 50 people don't speak French. 160 speak Japanese. So Using Pigeon Hole Principle, it is true that 160-50 = 110 people speak both Japanese and French. So 90 doesn't speak Japanese and French both
175 speak German. So 175-90 = 85 speak Japanese, French and German. Thus 115 people doesn't speak these three languages.
180 speak English. So 180-115 = 65 speak all four languages.
Excelent. I did the same, but not so clear as you. It shows exactly 65 people speaking the 4 languages (I assumed all 200 people speak at least one of 4 languages)
Beauty of Combinatorics....
As written in question- 175 people can speak German, -25 person can't speak german (so 25 people eliminated) 150 people can speak French, -50 person can't speak French-(50 people eliminated) 180 people can speak English, 20 can't speak english (20 eliminated) 160 people can speak Japanese. 40 can't speak japanese(40 eliminated)
Total people who are able of speaking every language is-200-(25+50+20+40) = 200-135 = 65
i got what you say, but i don' get why is it correct... For example, people that just speak let's say French in your way are counted trice: you count them when you count people that don't speak German, English and Japanese... So how do you fix that problem?
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Pietro, we assume here that every person either knows three or four languages
since we are trying to find the minimum numbers of people speaking 4 languages, we need to maximize people that not speaking 4 languages. out of 200 people 25 of them can't speak german, and 20 can't speak english. to maximize the people that can't speak 4 languages we need to assume that people that speak german can't speak english so out of 175 people that speak german, 20 of them can't speak english which left 155 of them, and so on. until 65 people left that speak 4 languages. hope it answer your question.
agree with Pietro
Nice explanation...but pietro's point is also correct we can't take the people speaking french as people speaking only french...anyways..thanks...cheers.
Yep, that how i did it! Wish I could post a picture of my work, though. It would make it a little easier to understand.
certainly this logic is not satisfactory :(
they are trying to get to the least number dude !
How do you know number of the people who can't speak some of the languages?
Let A 1 , A 2 , A 3 , A 4 represent the sets of the people who speak German, French, English, and Japanese, and let x y z = ∣ A 1 ∩ A 2 ∣ + ∣ A 1 ∩ A 3 ∣ + ∣ A 1 ∩ A 4 ∣ + ∣ A 2 ∩ A 3 ∣ + ∣ A 2 ∩ A 4 ∣ + ∣ A 3 ∩ A 4 ∣ = ∣ A 1 ∩ A 2 ∩ A 3 ∣ + ∣ A 1 ∩ A 2 ∩ A 4 ∣ + ∣ A 1 ∩ A 3 ∩ A 4 ∣ + ∣ A 2 ∩ A 3 ∩ A 4 ∣ = ∣ A 1 ∩ A 2 ∩ A 3 ∩ A 4 ∣ Then by the principle of inclusion and exclusion, 2 0 0 = ( 1 7 5 + 1 5 0 + 1 8 0 + 1 6 0 ) − x + y − z ⟹ 4 6 5 = x − y + z . Notice that we can also calculate the number of people who know at least two languages. First we start with x people. We see that a person who knows 3 languages is included ( 2 3 ) = 3 times. So we must subtract out 2 y to get x − 2 y . Now, a person who knows 4 languages is included ( 2 4 ) − 2 ⋅ ( 3 4 ) = − 2 times. So we have x − 2 y + 3 z , which is less than 200. Similarly, we can calculate that 2 0 0 ≥ y − 3 z . So, we have 4 6 5 2 0 0 2 0 0 = x − y + z ≥ x − 2 y + 3 z ≥ y − 3 z We multiply ( 2 ) by -1 and add ( 1 ) to it to get 2 6 5 ≤ y − 2 z . Now we add this to -1 times ( 3 to get 6 5 ≤ z . To verify that this works, we calculate x , y , z with z = 6 5 .
Shouldn't it be 'maximum number of journalists who can speak all the 4 languages'? Because, there are at least 135 persons who can not speak either of the languages.
min(G and F)=125
min(G and F and E)=105
min(G and F and E and J)=65
the journalists =200 180 speak English so 20 do not speak it. because we want the min number of journalists that speak the 4 languages we can say that those 20 ones speak German and the others that speak German (175 - 20) speak English and German so 155 speak English and German . so ;now we have 20 people speak German only and 25 speak English only(180 - 155). and so on we have 45 speak Japanese who speak either English or German and by subtracting there are 115 people speak English , German and Japanese. we have 150 journalists speak French :20 of them speak German only , 25 speak English only and 40 speak English and German .now let all of them speak french so 150 - 85 = 65 who seak the 4 languages
WOW worst answer. so convoluted. you should reconsider posting unhelpful answers in the future. i despise this, wish I hadn't read this. I got it before but this response made me SO confused
no. of german spekers=g=175 no. of french speaking people =f=150 no. of english speaking people=e=180 no. of japanese speakin people=j=160
min no. of people speaking both german and french=min(g+f)=125 i.e. 175-(200-150) min(f+e)=130 min(e+j)=140
min(f+e+j)=90( i.e. 130-(180-140)) min(f+e+g)=105(i.e. 130-(150-125)
min(f+e+g+j)=65(i.e 105-(130-90))
Total number of people = 200
Out of these 150 can speak French and 160 can speak Japanese. Taking the extreme case, 50 speak only Japanese, 40 speak only French and 110 speak both French and Japanese. 110 people(Group A) speak both these languages and 90(Group B) only one of these two.
We have 175 people who can speak German and 180 people who can speak English. To minimise the number of people speaking all four languages, let us put 90 from both these groups in Group B. Group B now consists of people speaking three languages : English and German and French/Japanese.
Now we have 85 people who can speak German and 90 who can speak English. These have to be placed in Group A(110 people) appropriately to arrive to the solution.
Again taking the extreme case, we have 25 people speaking only English, 20 people speaking only German and 65 people speaking both German and English in this group of 110(Group A).
Therefore, people speaking all four languages = 65.
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The total number of journalists = 200.
People who speak German = 175 -> people who do not speak German = 25.
People who speak French = 150 -> people who do not speak French = 50.
People who speak English = 180 -> people who do not speak English = 20.
People who speak Japanese = 160 -> people who do not speak Japanese = 40.
The set of journalists that will have the MINIMUM number of people who know all 4 languages, is also the one that will have the MAXIMUM number of people who do not know at least 1 language.
And the total number of people who do not know at least 1 language will be MAXIMUM, when the sets of people not knowing a particular language are mutually exclusive.
Hence, the Maximum number of people who do not know at least 1 language = 25 + 50 + 20 + 40 = 135.
Thus, the MINIMUM number of people who know all 4 languages = 200 - 135 = 65.