Will They Ever Meet?

Calculus Level 4

Four runners are situated at the four corners of a square. They start running at a rate of 10 km/hr 10 \text{ km/hr} . The runner at A A maintains his direction towards the runner at B B , B B towards C C & so on.

Suppose the length of the side of the square is 100 m 100 \text{ m} , when will the runners meet?

Give your answer in seconds.


The answer is 36.

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4 solutions

Aditya Raut
Aug 10, 2014

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It is easy to see that they all will meet at O O , which is the center of circumcirle of A B C D \Box ABCD

See at the component of A A along AO, which is 10 × sin ( 4 5 ) 10 \times \sin (45^\circ ) (km\hr)

and even when the direction changes as per B B 's movement, the component along A O AO towards O O is not going to change! and because all of them are at same speed, they will meet at O O

The distance A O AO is 100 2 \dfrac{100}{\sqrt{2}} (in meters), and the speed there is 10 2 \dfrac{10}{\sqrt{2}} km/hr.

Thus it will take 0.1 10 \dfrac{0.1}{10} = 0.01 0.01 hours to meet, that is 36 \boxed{36} seconds.

There is an error in that A is defined as the corner, not the runner. The problem states, "the runner at A," not runner A, "maintains his direction towards B," not the runner who starts at B. So they will never meet (in Cartesian space).

Kevin Luddy - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Thanks. I have updated the problem accordingly.

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Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 5 months ago

B moves neither away nor closer to A, but A gets closer to B at the speed of 10 km/hr 10 \text{ km/hr} . Similarly, so do the others. The initial distance between them is 0.1 km 0.1 \text{ km} , hence they'll meet after 0.1 km 10 km/hr = 0.01 hr = 36 s \frac{0.1 \text{ km}}{10 \text{ km/hr}}=0.01 \text{ hr}=\boxed{36\text{ s}}

mathh mathh - 6 years, 10 months ago

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The problem needs to me explained correctly.

Siddharth Gopujkar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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@Siddharth Gopujkar , follow the link in my solution.

Ameya Salankar - 6 years, 10 months ago

How can you say that the component of velocity of A along OA is constant? @Aditya Raut

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 8 months ago
Ariel Gershon
Sep 10, 2014

In my solution, I will generalize the problem. Suppose the four runners are running on a Cartesian plane, where the runners at A,B,C,D start at the points ( s , s ) , ( s , s ) , ( s , s ) , a n d ( s , s ) (-s,s), (-s,-s), (s,-s), and (s,s) respectively. Suppose also that their speed is v v units per second.

Given the symmetry of the problem, we can assume that the runners' positions always form a perfect square which is centred at the origin. That is, if Runner D is at position ( x , y ) (x,y) , then Runner A is at ( y , x ) (-y,x) , Runner B is at ( x , y ) (-x,-y) , and Runner C is at ( y , x ) (y,-x) . (I can prove this fact if needed; it's just that the proof is long and not very interesting).

So, let's define t t to be the time elapsed (in seconds). Define ( x , y ) (x,y) to be the position of Runner D at time t t . Then the position of A is ( y , x ) (-y,x) . Therefore, the slope of the line from A to D is y x y + x \frac{y-x}{y+x} . We assume that D runs in the direction of A, so therefore d y d x = y x y + x \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y-x}{y+x} .

Now let's use the fact that d y d x = d y d t ÷ d x d t \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dt} \div \frac{dx}{dt} . We get that ( y + x ) d y d t = ( y x ) d x d t (y+x) \frac{dy}{dt} = (y-x) \frac{dx}{dt} . Call this Equation ( 1 ) (1) .

Furthermore, since the runners' speed is v v , we get the following equation: ( d y d t ) 2 + ( d x d t ) 2 = v 2 \left( \frac{dy}{dt} \right)^2 + \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 = v^2 Using ( 1 ) (1) , we get the following: ( y + x ) 2 ( d y d t ) 2 + ( y + x ) 2 ( d x d t ) 2 = ( y + x ) 2 v 2 (y+x)^2 \left( \frac{dy}{dt} \right)^2 + (y+x)^2 \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 = (y+x)^2 v^2 ( y x ) 2 ( d x d t ) 2 + ( y + x ) 2 ( d x d t ) 2 = ( y + x ) 2 v 2 (y-x)^2 \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 + (y+x)^2 \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 = (y+x)^2 v^2 ( 2 x 2 + 2 y 2 ) ( d x d t ) 2 = ( y + x ) 2 v 2 (2x^2 + 2y^2) \left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)^2 = (y+x)^2 v^2 d x d t = ( y + x ) v 2 x 2 + 2 y 2 ( 2 ) \frac{dx}{dt} =- \frac{(y+x) v}{\sqrt{2x^2 + 2y^2}} *** (2)

In the last step above, I know it must be negative because D is getting closer to the origin, and therefore his x-coordinate must be decreasing (at first, anyway). From ( 1 ) (1) and ( 2 ) (2) , we see that d y d t = ( y x ) v 2 x 2 + 2 y 2 ( 3 ) \frac{dy}{dt} = - \frac{(y-x) v}{\sqrt{2x^2 + 2y^2}} ***(3)

Now, the distance from D to the origin is x 2 + y 2 \sqrt{x^2+y^2} . Let's show that this distance decreases at a constant rate: d ( x 2 + y 2 ) d t = 1 2 x 2 + y 2 ( 2 x d x d t + 2 y d y d t ) \frac{d \left( \sqrt{x^2+y^2} \right)}{dt} = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt{x^2+y^2}} \left( 2x \frac{dx}{dt} + 2y \frac{dy}{dt} \right) = 1 x 2 + y 2 ( x ( y + x ) v 2 x 2 + 2 y 2 y ( y x ) v 2 x 2 + 2 y 2 ) = \frac{1}{ \sqrt{x^2+y^2}} \left( -\frac{x(y+x)v}{\sqrt{2x^2 + 2y^2}} - \frac{y(y-x)v}{\sqrt{2x^2 + 2y^2}} \right) = v ( x 2 + y 2 ) 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) = v 2 = \frac{-v (x^2 + y^2)}{\sqrt 2 (x^2 + y^2)} = \frac{-v}{\sqrt{2}}

Therefore, D approaches the origin at a constant speed of v 2 \frac{-v}{\sqrt{2}} . He starts out at the point ( s , s ) (s,s) which is a distance of s 2 s \sqrt 2 away from the origin. Therefore, the amount of time it will take D to reach the origin is s 2 v / 2 = 2 s v \frac{s \sqrt{2}} {v / \sqrt{2}} = \frac{2s}{v} . By symmetry, the other runners will meet him there.

In the given problem, we have s = 50 s = 50 (in metres, so that the square has a side length of 100) and v = 25 9 v = \frac{25}{9} (in metres per second). Therefore the time, in seconds, that it will take for the runners to meet each other is: 2 50 25 / 9 = 36 \frac{2*50}{25/9} = \boxed{36}

Navneet Prabhat
Oct 28, 2016

A is moving towards B with a constant speed of 10 m/s. At each and every time B has a velocity perpendicular to A. Therefore distance between A and B decresses at a rate if 10km/hr. Hence answer is 36seconds.

Ameya Salankar
Aug 10, 2014

You may want to take a look at @Michael Mendrin 's comment here .

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