Winding around a pole a with a conducting spring.

A laminar body of mass m made of insulating material carrying some amount of charge is attached (welded) to one end of a extremely strong and very stretchable spring of almost zero equilibrium length. The other end of which is fixed wound to fixed non conducting pole and then grounded. The spring constant initially is K. Initial conditions are set up so the mass moves around a cylindrical pole of radius a on a frictionless horizontal table. L is the initial distance from the centre of mass to the pole.We start by giving a velocity to the lamina as shown. The spring winds around the pole and the lamina eventually hits the pole . What amount of charge in μ C \mu C is lost from the lamina at half of the total time before collision if the electrostatic potential at the centre of the pole at that time is V.The spring is made of conducting material of resistance R
Neglect any sort of electrostatic interactions or energy/

K = 3 1 0 20 N / m K=3*10^{20}N/m

m = 5 k g m=5kg

R = 3 m Ω R=3m\Omega

a = 0.05 m a=0.05m

V = 2 V V=2V

L = 20 m L=20m

assume a L a\ll L find (the required charge in micro C) + 10.11 as the final answer


The answer is 23.

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1 solution

Milun Moghe
Mar 2, 2014

A very important thing to think about while approaching is that the angular momentum is not conserved in this problem because the force is not a central force. Let θ ( t ) \theta(t) be the angle which the spring moves.Let x ( t ) x(t) be the length of the unwrapped part of the spring.let v ( t ) v(t) be the mass. And let k ( t ) k(t) be the spring constant as a function of time. note that the spring constant is not constant as it depends on the length.

I'll explain this

The spring constant of the unwrapped part of the spring is inversely proportional to its equilibrium length .(for example if you cut the spring in half the resulting springs will have twice the original spring constant) All the equilibrium lengths are infinitesimally small as compared to the L but the inverse relation between k and l still holds.

If you want some more reasoning then think of the equilibrium length as a measure of the total number of spring atoms that remain in the unwrapped part.

Using the approximation a L a\ll L we may say that the mass undergoes approximate circular motion.This approximation will break down when x becomes close to a but that time is extremely negligible of the total time. The instantaneous centre of the circle is the point where the centre touches the pole.Alone the radial direction

m v 2 x = k x \frac{mv^{2}}{x}=kx

ω = d θ d t = v x = k m \omega=\frac{d\theta}{dt}=\frac{v}{x}=\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}

note that the change in angle of contact point on the pole equals the change in angle of the mass around the pole which is θ \theta

Consider a very small interval during which the unwrapped part of the spring stretches a small amount and moves through an angle d θ d\theta

then a length a d θ ad\theta becomes unwrapped on the pole so the fractional decrease in the equilibrium length of the unwrapped part is to the first order in d θ d\theta

and is equal to a d θ x \frac{ad\theta}{x}

Hence the new spring constant is k n e w = k o l d ( 1 + a d θ x ) k o l d ( 1 a d θ x ) k_{new}=\frac{k_{old}}{(1+\frac{ad\theta}{x})}\thickapprox k_{old}(1-\frac{ad\theta}{x})

therefore d k = k a d θ x dk=\frac{kad\theta}{x}

dividing by dt

d k d t = k a ω x \frac{dk}{dt}=\frac{ka\omega}{x}

The final equation we need is the one for energy conservation. At a given instant consider the sum of the kinetic energies of the mass, and potential energy of the unwrapped par of the spring.At a time dt later a tiny bit of this energy will be stored in the newly wrapped light piece.Letting primes denote quantities at this latter time, conservation of energy gives

k x 2 2 + m v 2 2 = k x 2 2 + m v 2 2 + k x 2 2 a d θ x \frac{kx^{2}}{2}+\frac{mv^{2}}{2}=\frac{k'x'^{2}}{2}+\frac{mv'^{2}}{2}+\frac{kx^{2}}{2}\frac{ad\theta}{x}

The last term is to the lowest order in d θ d\theta is the energy stored in the newly wrapped part. because a d θ ad\theta is its length

writing v in terms of x

we get

k x 2 = k x 2 + k x a d θ 2 kx^{2}=k'x'^{2}+\frac{kxad\theta}{2}

in other words

d ( k x 2 ) = k x a d θ 2 d(kx^{2})=-\frac{kxad\theta}{2} again dividing by dt

d ( k x 2 ) d t = k x a ω 2 = d k d t x 2 + 2 k x d x d t = ( k a ω x ) x 2 + 2 k x d x d t \frac{d(kx^{2})}{dt}=-\frac{kxa\omega}{2}=\frac{dk}{dt}x^{2}+2kx\frac{dx}{dt}=(\frac{ka\omega}{x})x^{2}+2kx\frac{dx}{dt}

therefore d x d t = 3 4 a ω \frac{dx}{dt}=-\frac{3}{4}a\omega .......1

we must now solve the two coupled differential equations.

d x x d t = 3 4 d k k d t \frac{dx}{xdt}=-\frac{3}{4}\frac{dk}{kdt}

L x d x x = K k 3 4 d k k \int_{L}^{x}\frac{dx}{x}=-\int_{K}^{k}\frac{3}{4}\frac{dk}{k}

k = K L 4 3 x 4 3 k=\frac{KL^{\frac{4}{3}}}{x^{\frac{4}{3}}} ....2

from 2 and 1, therefore putting the value of \omega we get

x 2 / 3 d x d t = 3 a K 1 2 L 2 3 4 m 1 2 x^{2/3}\frac{dx}{dt}=-\frac{3aK^{\frac{1}{2}}L^{\frac{2}{3}}}{4m^{\frac{1}{2}}}

on integrating we get and putting initial conditions x=L t=0

x 5 3 = L 5 3 ( 5 a K 1 2 L 2 3 4 m 1 2 ) t x^{\frac{5}{3}}=L^{\frac{5}{3}}-(\frac{5aK^{\frac{1}{2}}L^{\frac{2}{3}}}{4m^{\frac{1}{2}}})t

so finally we get

x ( t ) = L ( 1 t T ) 3 5 x(t)=L(1-\frac{t}{T})^{\frac{3}{5}} ...........3

T = 4 L 5 a m K T=\frac{4L}{5a}\sqrt{\frac{m}{K}} is the total time before the mass collides

But its not over yet

Now comes the part of of electricity and magnetism

For a lamina rotating about a pole let us say a point because of approximations

Let us consider an elemental arc of charge dq at a radius r_{i} from the pole

The current due to this charge is d i = ω d q 2 π di=\frac{\omega dq}{2\pi} in circular motion

B due to a ring at its centre is given by B = μ I 2 π r = μ ω 2 ( 2 π ) d q r i = μ ε 0 V ω B=\frac{\mu I}{2\pi r}=\frac{\mu\omega}{2(2\pi)}\sum\frac{dq}{r_{i}}=\mu\varepsilon_{0}V\omega

As number of loops around the pole is increasing with time the effective area of the loops is

A ( t ) = ( L x ) 2 π a π a 2 A(t)=\frac{(L-x)}{2\pi a}\pi a^{2}

ϕ = B . d A = B A ( t ) = μ ε 0 V ω ( L x ) 2 π a π a 2 \phi=\oint B.dA=BA(t)=\mu\varepsilon_{0}V\omega\frac{(L-x)}{2\pi a}\pi a^{2}

d ϕ d t = R d i d t \frac{d\phi}{dt}=R\frac{di}{dt}

Solving these equations and putting necessary information we get

Q = K m μ ε 0 V a L 2 R ( 1 ( 1 t T ) 3 5 ) ( 1 t T ) 2 5 \triangle Q=\frac{\sqrt{\frac{K}{m}}\mu\varepsilon_{0}VaL}{2R}\frac{(1-(1-\frac{t}{T})^{\frac{3}{5}})}{(1-\frac{t}{T})^{\frac{2}{5}}}

We get the final answer as 23

How do you come up with these kind of problems???? These are amazingly good!

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 3 months ago

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I like to link concepts related to electricity magnetism and mechanics.So i just jumble some basic problems together

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 3 months ago

There are a lot of mistakes . Firstly, you are not dealing with the electrostatic interaction between pole and lamina, while using centripetal acceleration . Secondly, you didn't mention whether the pole is metallic or not. If it were metallic, then the potential at center would have been 0. Then, the Q \triangle Q , must not come only from lamina, ground is also a source of charges.The conservation of energy is also incorrect,as you are not dealing with electrostatic energy.

jatin yadav - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Yes your right i made a change by stating that the pole in non conducting and also stating to neglect electrostatic interactions. Otherwise is would have obviously been too complicated.

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 3 months ago

amazing question and its solution

BHANU VISHWAKARMA - 7 years, 2 months ago

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