Winning At A Simple Game of Dice

Calvin and David play a game of dice. They each throw 1 fair 6-sided dice. The probability that the number on David's dice is bigger than the number on Calvin's dice is a b \frac {a}{b} , where a a and b b are positive coprime integers. What is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 17.

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11 solutions

Pratik Rathore
Dec 27, 2013

The simplest way to solve this problem is by noting that the probability that David's roll is larger than Calvin's is the same as the probability that Calvin's roll is larger than David's. Therefore, the desired probability is 1 1 minus the probability of the rolls being equal all divided by 2 2 .

The probability of the rolls being equal is 6 6 6 = 1 6 \frac{6}{6\cdot6}=\frac{1}{6} . The desired probability is then 1 1 6 2 \frac{1-\frac{1}{6}}{2} = 5 12 \frac{5}{12} . Adding 5 5 and 12 12 gives us 17 \boxed{17} .

did anyone see that number of throwing dice is not mentioned, but it should be, it may give more anwer

diltang tong - 7 years, 4 months ago

Thats the best solution here

Nahom Yemane - 7 years, 5 months ago

nooo I forgot to reduce the fraction -.-

Jean Lille - 7 years, 3 months ago

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I had 15/36

Jean Lille - 7 years, 3 months ago
Sujoy Roy
Dec 27, 2013

Total sample space is 6 × 6 = 36 6\times 6=36 . Among these 36 36 cases in 6 6 cases both the numbers are same.

Total favorable cases are 15 = 36 6 2 15=\frac{36-6}{2} ( when David's dice is bigger than the number on Calvin's dice).

So the probability is 15 36 = 5 12 \frac{15}{36}=\frac{5}{12} .

Answer is 5 + 12 = 17 5+12=\boxed{17}

Raj Magesh
Dec 28, 2013

In how many ways can the number on David's die be larger than the number on Calvin's?

  1. If David's die shows 6 6 , there are 5 ways (Calvin's die can show 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 )

  2. If David's die shows 5 5 , there are 4 ways (Calvin's die can show 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 1, 2, 3, 4 )

  3. If David's die shows 4 4 , there are 3 ways (Calvin's die can show 1 , 2 , 3 1, 2, 3 )

  4. If David's die shows 3 3 , there are 2 ways (Calvin's die can show 1 , 2 1, 2 )

  5. If David's die shows 2 2 , there is 1 way (Calvin's die can show 1 1 )

Hence, this can happen in 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 15 5+4+3+2+1 =15 ways.

The total number of possibilities is given by 6 2 = 36 6^{2} = 36 .

P D > C = 15 36 = 5 12 5 + 12 = 17 P_{D>C} = \dfrac{15}{36} = \dfrac{5}{12} \Longrightarrow 5+12 = \boxed{17}

Sherry Sarkar
Dec 27, 2013

There are three types of rolls here, ( a , b ) , ( a , a ) (a,b) , (a,a) and ( b , a ) (b,a) where b > a b>a . There are six ( a , a ) (a,a) pairs - (1,1), (2,2), (3,3) ... (6,6). That leaves 30 ( a , b ) (a,b) and ( b , a ) (b,a) pairs. Since they are symmetric, there are 15 of each. Thus we have 15 pairs out of the total 36 pairs - 15 36 \frac{15}{36} . Thus sum is 5 + 12 = 17 5 + 12 = \boxed{17} .

Zechariah Jimenez
Dec 29, 2013

There are 6 possible outcomes in this situation, wherein Calvin can get any of the 6 sides. If Calvin gets a 1, there is a 5 6 \frac{5}{6} chance that David will get a higher number. If Calvin gets 2, the chances are 4 6 = 2 3 \frac{4}{6}=\frac{2}{3} , and so on. Basically, the chances for David to get a higher number than Calvin is D = 6 C 6 D=\frac{6-C}{6} , where C C & D D are the numbers Calvin and David got, respectively. In the end, the six possible fractions are 5 6 , 4 6 , 3 6 , 2 6 , 1 6 , a n d 0 6 \frac{5}{6},\frac{4}{6},\frac{3}{6},\frac{2}{6},\frac{1}{6}, and \frac{0}{6} . So there are 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 0 = 15 5+4+3+2+1+0=15 possible C-D combinations where D > C D>C . There are 6 2 = 36 6^2=36 possible combinations all in all, so the probability of David getting a higher number is 15 36 = 5 12 \frac{15}{36}=\frac{5}{12} . 5 + 12 = 17 5+12=\boxed{17} .

Ben Frankel
Dec 27, 2013

There are 6 6 = 36 6\cdot6 = 36 total possible outcomes. Once the dice have been thrown, there are three possibilities.

  1. Calvin and David rolled the same number, and there are 6 ways for this to happen.
  2. Calvin rolls a bigger number than David.
  3. David rolls a bigger number than Calvin.

Clearly however many ways there are for Calvin to get a bigger number than David is equal to the amount of ways for Calvin to get a smaller number than David. Thus, the number of ways for David to roll a bigger number than Calvin is ( 36 6 ) / 2 = 15 (36 - 6)/2 = 15 .

The probability is then, 15 36 = 5 12 \frac{15}{36} = \frac{5}{12} , and so the answer is 5 + 12 = 17 5 + 12 = \boxed{17}

Raj Shekhar
Mar 26, 2014

total number of ways= 36 no of possibilties =15 15/36 5/12 5+12=17

Ajith Gade
Jan 27, 2014

(5+4+3+2+1)/36 =5/12 5+12=17

Debrup Dutta
Jan 22, 2014

to solve this one must calculate the individual probabilities of the numbers appearing on david's dice FOR A PARTICULAR NUMBER appearing on calvin's dice. for eg, if calvin got a 1 on his dice, the problem conditions are only fulfilled for 2,3,4,5,6 appearing on david's dice. and so on for all numbers. the answer is (1/6)(5/6 + 4/6 +3/6 +2/6 +1/6 +0/6), equal to 15/36 or 5/12. hence the answer is 17.

Ishan Pandey
Dec 28, 2013

For 1 showing up on Calvin's dice, there are 5 favourable cases for David(2,3,4,5,6) similarly for C's 2 , D has 4 favourable cases ....therefore total number of favourable cases=5+4+3+2+1=15 total number of cases=6*6=36 Thus a=5 and b=12

Sameer Arora
Dec 27, 2013

Total number of possible outcomes = 36 , thus n(S) = 36.

Now let the number shown on calvin's dice be 1 , so possible outcomes on David's dice = 2,3,4,5,6 (5 outcomes) Similarly for 2 , possible outcomes = 3,4,5,6 (4outcomes) For 3 = 4,5,6 For 4= 5,6 For 5 = only 6 Hence total number of favourable outcomes n(E) = 5+4+3+2+1 = 15

Probability = n(E)/n(s) = 15/36 = 5/12. Hence 5+12=17

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