Winning is Not the Strategy

Algebra Level 1

Bob, John, and Josh are racing in a 1 km 1 \si{\kilo\meter} competition. Each competitor runs at a constant rate.

  • After Bob has run 1 4 km , \frac14 \si{\kilo\meter}, Bob is ahead of John by 25 m . 25 \si{\meter}.
  • After John has run 1 2 km , \frac12 \si{\kilo\meter}, John is ahead of Josh by 20 m . 20 \si{\meter}.

When Bob finishes the race, how much does he beat Josh by?

96 m \ \ 96 \text{ m} 100 m 100 \text{ m} 124 m 124 \text{ m} 136 m 136 \text{ m}

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11 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Nov 13, 2018

When Bob completes 1 km \text{1 km} , he beats John by 1 1 4 × 25 = 100 m \dfrac 1{\frac 14} \times 25 = 100 \text{ m} . Then John completes 1000 100 = 900 m 1000-100=\text{900 m} of the race.

When John completes 900 m \text{900 m} , he beats Josh by 9 10 1 2 × 20 = 36 m \dfrac {\frac 9{10}}{\frac 12} \times 20 = 36 \text{ m} . Then Josh completes 900 36 = 864 m 900-36=\text{864 m} of the race.

Therefore, Bob beats Josh by 1000 864 = 136 m 1000-864 = \boxed{\text{136 m}} .

Why did you multiply 20 and 25?

Faria Chowdhury - 2 years, 6 months ago

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After Bob has run 1 4 \frac 14 km, Bob beats John by 25 m. Now, Bob has run 1 km, then Bob beats John by 100 m because 1 ÷ 1 4 × 25 = 4 × 25 = 100 1 \div \frac 14 \times 25 = 4 \times 25 = 100 m Similarly for John and Josh case.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 6 months ago

when, Bob has run 250 m , john has run (250-25)=225 m Bob has run 1000 m,john has run (1000*225)/250 = 900 m

when, john has run 500 m , josh has run (500-20)=480 m john has run 900 m , josh has run (900*480)/500= 864 m

Therefore, Bob beats Josh by = (1000-900)+(900-864) = 136 m

Muhammad Alamin Shanto - 2 years, 6 months ago
Henry U
Nov 13, 2018

Bob can beat John by 25 m 25\si{\meter} in a 250 m 250\si{\meter} race, so he can beat John by 100 m 100\si{\meter} in a 1000 m 1000\si{\meter} race. When Bob crosses the finish line, John will be at 900 m 900\si{\meter} . John can beat Josh by 20 m 20\si{\meter} in a 500 m 500\si{\meter} race, so in a 900 m 900\si{\meter} race, John will be 20 m 900 m 500 m = 36 m 20\si{\meter} \cdot \frac {900\si{\meter}} {500\si{\meter}} = 36\si{\meter} in front. Bob is 100 m 100\si{\meter} ahead of John who is 36 m 36\si{\meter} in front of Josh, so Bob beats Josh by 136 m \boxed{136\si{\meter}} .

Please don't use units in italics. It is very confusing, especially for physicists. Either use \text{m} or \si{\meter} in your equations.

Plus points for using the units consistently in every statement though. Some of the other popular answers only use the units in outcomes of equations, but it's much better to use them everywhere. That makes it much clearer how you get the numbers.

Roland van Vliembergen - 2 years, 6 months ago

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I've edited my solution. Thanks for the advice!

Henry U - 2 years, 6 months ago
Abraham Zhang
Nov 25, 2018

v John = 225 250 v Bob v Josh = 480 500 v John = 864 1000 v Bob \begin{aligned} v_{\text{John}} &=\frac{225}{250} v_{\text{Bob}} \\ v_{\text{Josh}} &=\frac{480}{500} v_{\text{John}} \\ &=\frac{864}{1000} v_{\text{Bob}} \\ \end{aligned}

Therefore, Bob beat Josh by 1000 864 = 136 1000-864=136 m.

I just approximated .. Bob ends up 100 meters ahead of John by 100m and John is ahead of Josh by 40m at the end. Therefore 100 + 40 = 140m.. the closest answer was 136 meters. Was my line of reasoning correct or am I just a lucky dummy? :)

In the everyday world, I do the exact same thing. Approximate what the answer will be so when you work out the mathematical answer, you'll know you're right. This question is rather easy, but if you're screwing around with decimal places, you may have Bob beating Josh by 13.6m or 1360m (which would be hard to do in a 1000m race!)

Brett Lawrence - 2 years, 6 months ago

I did the same. But I just realised, if 140m was in the option or if the other options were also close to 140m I might have been tricked out and would have not scored it!

Nirmal Xavier - 2 years, 6 months ago

The flaw is that 1/2 half the km race for John was not the same as 1/2 the km race for Bob and by the time Bob was done, John was 100 meters away from the finish. Since John was 9/10 done with the race which is 1.8 times more than 1/2 done with the race ( from the information given about being 20 meters ahead) you would multiply the 20 by 1.8 not 2. I do agree that you should usually approximate in the real world. However, if Bob was 100 meters ahead of John at 1/4 the km and John was ahead of Josh by 300 at 1/2 , your answer would have been far off.

Dylan Duc Tran - 1 year, 1 month ago
Edwin Gray
Nov 26, 2018

John's rate is 90% of Bob's rate, and Josh's rate is 96% 0f John's; so josh's rate is .9x.96= .864 = 86.4% of Bob's. When Bob is at 1000, josh will be at 864. Ed Gray

Good idea of solving by percentages.

Ram Mohith - 2 years, 6 months ago
Nishant Shah
Nov 13, 2018

{ 1/2km=500m & 1/4km=250m }

John = [(250-25)/250] *bob

     = (9/10) *bob

Josh =[(500-20)/500] *john

     = (24/25) *john

=> Josh = (108/125) *bob

for 1km race , bob=1000m then-

=> josh = 864 m

So... Bob-Josh = 136m

If Bob is 25m ahead of John after Bob completes 1/4 (or 25%) of the race, then we can multiply by 4 to find that Bob will be 100m ahead of John after Bob completes 100% of the race.

We can use the similar logic to find that John will be 40m ahead of Josh after John completes 100% of the race.

However when Bob completes 100% of the race, John will NOT have completed 100% of the race because he is 100m behind Bob. John will have only completed 90% of the race. We know this because:

1000 - 100 = 900

900 ÷ 1000 = 9/10 = 90%

So the solution to our problem is:

(25m × 4) + ((20m × 2) × 9/10) = 136m

Bill Weihmiller
Nov 30, 2018

Easy peasy. Bob at 250m when John is at 225m means V-sub-John = 0.9 x V-sub-Bob. John at 500m when Josh is at 480m means V-sub-Josh = 0.98 x V-sub-John. The rates are all constant. V-sub-Josh = 0.9 x 0.98 x V-sub-Bob = 0.864 x V-sub-Bob.

Bob at 1000m puts Josh at 864m, 136m behind.

Gaoyi Zhu
Dec 3, 2020

Speed Ratio = Bob : John = 1 4 \frac{1}{4} km : 1 4 \frac{1}{4} km - 25m = 250m : 225m = 10 : 9 = 250 : 225

Speed Ratio = John : Josh = 1 2 \frac{1}{2} km : 1 2 \frac{1}{2} km -20m = 500m : 480m = 25 : 24 = 225 : 216

Distance Ratio = Bob : John : Josh = 250 : 225 : 216 = 1000m : 900m : 864m

1000m - 864m = 136m

*Take note: Speed ratio = Distance Ratio

Bharath Cousik
Dec 1, 2018

Bob speed 10% more than Jhon and Jhon speed 4% more than Josh. so at last 100+36 = 136m.

Jan Richter
Nov 26, 2018

Common sense solution for those, who are lazy writing down equations. When Bob finishes, he's 4x25m ahead of John. That's 100m. When John finishes, he's 2x20m ahead of Josh. That's 40m. As John is 100m behind Bob, he has only run 900m of the km by the time Bob finishes. That's why he'll only be 9/10 (900/1000) of the final distance ahead of Josh. 40x(9/10)=36. When bob finishes, he'll be 100m ahead of John who will, at that timepoint, be 36m ahead of Josh. Final result - 136m.

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