Wrecking ball

A wrecking ball is a heavy metal mass that's swung, from a crane, into structures to demolish them. Suppose we release a ball of mass M M from initial angle θ \theta and measure the speed at the lowest point in its swing to be v max . v_\textrm{max}.

If we replace the wrecking ball with one of mass 2 M , 2M, keeping the length of the chain and the angle θ \theta at which the ball is released constant, how will v max v_\textrm{max} be affected?


Details and Assumptions:

  • Neglect air resistance.
  • The mass of the chain is zero.
The heavier ball will hit at a lower speed The heavier ball will hit at a greater speed The ball will hit at the same speed regardless of its weight

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9 solutions

Steven Yuan
Sep 2, 2017

Relevant wiki: Conservation of Energy

Say the wrecking ball, which has mass m , m, is released from a height of h 1 h_1 with respect to some arbitrary reference line, and at the point of impact it is at a height of h 2 < h 1 h_2 < h_1 (under the same reference line) and has a velocity of v . v. Since there is no air resistance, the potential energy of the ball at the start is equal to the sum of the potential and kinetic energies of the ball at the end, by the law of conservation of energy. Thus, we can write

U 0 = U f + K f m g h 1 = m g h 2 + 1 2 m v 2 m g ( h 1 h 2 ) = 1 2 m v 2 v = 2 g ( h 1 h 2 ) . \begin{aligned} U_0 &= U_f + K_f \\ mgh_1 &= mgh_2 + \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2 \\ mg(h_1 - h_2) &= \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2 \\ v &= \sqrt{2g(h_1 - h_2)}. \end{aligned}

Notice that the final velocity of the ball does not depend on its mass. Therefore, as long as we keep the initial conditions the same, the ball will hit at the same speed regardless of weight.

For this to be correct you have to assume that the chain has no mass, which is NOT given in the question.

If the chain has mass > 0 then, by increasing the mass of the ball, you are effectively lowering the centre of mass of the system.

Therefore the difference in height from top to the bottom of the swing is lower, and by your equation, the mximum velocity will also be lower.

So the heavier ball will hit at a lower speed.

David Winson - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks for pointing out. I've explicitly mentioned neglecting the mass of the chain in front of the metal ball.

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 9 months ago

I always wonder if this kind of problems have a more intuitive explanation that doesn't involve algebraic manipulation. What do you think about this?

Christopher Boo - 3 years, 9 months ago

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I find the algebra is the only thing that makes it intuitive. Your mileage may vary.

Richard Desper - 3 years, 8 months ago

Nice approach. Btw, is my answer flawed?

Kaushik Chandra - 3 years, 9 months ago

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What is your answer?

Christopher Boo - 3 years, 9 months ago

the chain length and the angle are constant. This is factually correct but doesn't relate to the question. Both balls would hit at the same location, height cancels out, it's the change in mass m1-m2.

David Ramirez - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Doesn't the mass of a ball remains constant during the fall and its height changes from h 1 h_1 to h 2 h_2 ?

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 9 months ago

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isn't the question stating the mass is doubled?

David Ramirez - 3 years, 9 months ago

It is not stated in the question, but are you not assuming that the density of the 2M ball is twice that of the 1M ball. If, as is more likely, the density does not change, then the centre of gravity of the 2M ball will be lower than the 1M ball, effectively lengthening the pendulum, resulting in a slower swing

Michael Jarvis - 3 years, 8 months ago

None the less it will be harder to swing thus making it slower. Alas, the height does not change

matilda ahuama - 3 years, 6 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 11, 2017

Relevant wiki: Newton's Law of Gravity - Problem Solving

The famous Galileo's Leaning Tower of Pisa experience (though it might not actually have been carried out) clearly illustrated that acceleration due to gravity is independent of mass. Therefore, neglecting air resistance, wrecking balls of different masses going through the same trajectory have the same velocity throughout the trajectory including the lowest point.

nice & short.

Mohammad Khaza - 3 years, 9 months ago

In Galileo's experiment, the objects were free falling, whereas in this problem, the objects experience tension because of the chain. They are not in free fall, and some extra work needs to be done to show that the time taken is indeed independent of mass. As pointed by other solutions, if the chain has mass, then the two balls could take different times to fall.

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 9 months ago

But if the balls are released at the same time, and the chains have no mass (effectively meaning they are in free fall), the same principle should apply to Galileo's experiment.

David Adams - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Though I'm no mathematician.

David Adams - 3 years, 9 months ago
Theo Hatzustavrou
Sep 12, 2017

The solutions given cover the problem very nicely. I would just like to add two remarks:

  • The main reason that the parameter of mass does not change the motion of the ball is that the potential energy is porpotional to the mass so we can write the energy as E = m ( u 2 2 + g h ) E=m\left(\dfrac{u^2}{2}+gh\right) . The same would happen for example at an oscillator where you have potential energy m \sim m and specificaly m ω 2 x 2 / 2 m\omega ^2 x^2 /2 .

  • This problem is a very nice example of the difference between the velocity and the momentum. Someone could ask himself if the velocity is the same then why do we use massive wrecking balls to destroy buildings? And from experience we know we would not even think to start wrecking a building with a basket ball. The difference is that we need big momentum p = m u p = m u of the ball that hits the building. That momentum is transfered to the building during the coilision. Then from newton's second law F = d p d t F=\dfrac{dp}{dt} , we make a big change in momentum of the walls of the building in a very short time so that is the reason a great force is created and we wreck the buildings.

Mohammad Khaza
Sep 10, 2017

Suppose your object is a sphere with a radius r and mass m. The aerodynamic drag on a sphere is given by:

F d r a g = 1 2 C d ρ π r 2 v 2 F_{drag} = \frac{1}{2}Cd \rho \pi r^2 v^2 ...................................(1)

where ρ \rho is the density of the air and Cd is the drag coefficient. The drag coefficient varies with speed but over a limited range of speeds it can usefully be taken as constant.

So, the downward force on the object is simply:

F g r a v = m g F_{grav} = mg ................................................(2)

and terminal velocity is reached when the two forces are in balance i.e. when F d r a g = F g r a v F_{drag} = F_{grav} . If we equate equations (1) and (2) we get:

1 2 C d ρ π r 2 v 2 = m g \frac{1}{2}Cd \rho \pi r^2v^2 = mg

and rearranging them gives:

V t e r m = 2 m g C d ρ π r 2 V_{term} = \sqrt\frac{2mg}{Cd \rho \pi r^2}

In your case you keep the size of the spheres constant, in which case we get:

V t e r m m V_{term} \propto m

So terminal velocity does increase with mass. The heavier sphere will have a higher terminal velocity. but in the case of law of conversion energy, we know that, V = 2 g h V=\sqrt{2gh} so, for this case mass does not create any change in the velocity.

The problem does not say to ignore the mass of the chain. I believe that including some small chain mass would mean a slightly reduced max speed.

Ib Jørgensen - 3 years, 9 months ago

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no,that will not happen.just read deeply Galileos three theorem.

in some case mass does not create any change in the velocity.

suppose, if you threw a heavy & a slight ball from the same spot.if there is no external force,they will fall at the same time.

Mohammad Khaza - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Yes, if the chain mass is not neglected, then, the speed won't be the same. I've updated the problem statement accordingly now.

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 9 months ago
Tom Scholz
Sep 17, 2017

It's pretty simple. Air ressistance is not effected by the mass of the object moving through it. An empty egg will fall at the same speed as a full one.

Himanshu Shekhar
Sep 15, 2017

Since v(max) is independent of mass M, as v(max) = √(2gl(1-cos(theta))) where, theta = angle of release of the ball, l = length of rope, g = acceleration due to gravity.

Tabor Redford
Sep 15, 2017

our intuition tells us that the wrecking ball hits harder, and it does; but that is only because it is heavier. momentum is mass x velocity. heavier objects have more momentum, which means, it takes more to stop them. they hurt more when they hit you. the maximum speed is determined by the acceleration, which comes from gravity. we all know the classic physics demo; a hammer or a feather. in a perfect vacuum (no air resistance) both fall at the same rate.

John Oshman
Sep 14, 2017

A classic lab in high school physics is to put a steel ball bearing in a clear cylinder with a feather, remove all air (create a vacuum to eliminate air resistance) and drop both items. The observation is that both objects land at the same time proving mass has zero effect on gravitational acceleration.

Terry Smith
Sep 14, 2017

Because Galileo.

I've been prompted for a more complete explanation. One word is sufficient.

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