FTW Equation

Algebra Level 4

( x 2 + 2013 x ) ( y 2 + 2013 y ) = 2013 \left( \sqrt { { x }^{ 2 }+2013 } -x \right ) \left (\sqrt { { y }^{ 2 }+2013 } -y\right )=2013

Non-zero real numbers x , y x,y satisfy the equation above.

What is the value of 2013 x + y 5 x + y \dfrac { 2013x+y }{ 5x+y } ?

This problem is part of the set Hard Equations


The answer is 503.

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3 solutions

  • Ok, so I set the first member A and the second member B , such A × B = 2013 A\times B = 2013 .
  • Solving for A, we have:
    x 2 + 2013 = ( A + x ) \sqrt{x^{2} + 2013} = (A + x) .
    x 2 + 2013 = A 2 + 2 A x + x 2 x^{2} + 2013 = A^{2} + 2Ax + x^{2} .
    A 2 + 2 A x = 2013 A^{2} + 2Ax = 2013 .


  • Using the same logic with y and B , we find that: 2013 = B 2 + 2 B y 2013 = B^{2} +2By .
  • With A × B = 2013 A \times B = 2013 and those two equations above, we state that: A 2 + 2 A x = A × B = B 2 + 2 B y A^{2} + 2Ax = A \times B = B^{2} + 2By .
  • So, we can conclude that A + 2 x = B A + 2x = B and B + 2 y = A B + 2y = A .
  • Replacing B + 2 y = A B + 2y = A in A + 2 x = B A + 2x = B , we have:
    B + 2 x + 2 y = B = > 2 x + 2 y = 0 B + 2x + 2y = B => 2x + 2y = 0 .
  • With this, we can finally state that x = y x = -y .

  • Now, for 2013 x + y 5 x + y \frac{2013x + y}{5x + y} , we have:
    2013 x x 5 x x = > 2012 x 4 x = 503 \frac{2013x - x}{5x - x} => \frac{2012x}{4x} = 503 .

  • So, this adventure ends with the answer being 503 .

(hope you enjoyed the solution).

I think you wanted to write A 2 A^2 , B 2 B^2 instead of A x A^x , B x B^x

Janardhanan Sivaramakrishnan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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I'm sorry, I used the "²" from the keyboard, but it became smaller than I thought. I am updating the solution right now, taking off the "²" and replacing with "^{2}". Hope it gets better and create a little less fuss.

Matheus Abrão Abdala - 6 years, 4 months ago
Roy Tu
Jan 18, 2015

Let

x = 2013 tan θ x = \sqrt{2013}\tan{\theta}

y = 2013 tan ϕ y = \sqrt{2013}\tan{\phi}

We can do this without loss of generality because the range of tangent is all real numbers. Then:

( 2013 sec θ 2013 tan θ ) ( 2013 sec ϕ 2013 tan ϕ ) = 2013 ( sec θ tan θ ) ( sec ϕ tan ϕ ) = 1 (\sqrt{2013}\sec{\theta}-\sqrt{2013}\tan{\theta})(\sqrt{2013}\sec{\phi}-\sqrt{2013}\tan{\phi})=2013 \\ (\sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta})(\sec{\phi}-\tan{\phi})=1 \\

Notice that:

1 sec θ + tan θ = 1 sec θ + tan θ sec θ tan θ sec θ tan θ = sec θ tan θ sec 2 θ tan 2 θ = sec θ tan θ \frac{1}{\sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta}} \\ = \frac{1}{\sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta}}\frac{\sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta}}{\sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta}} \\ = \frac{\sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta}}{\sec^2{\theta}-\tan^2{\theta}} \\ = \sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta} \\

Hence: ( sec θ tan θ ) ( sec ϕ tan ϕ ) = 1 = sec ϕ tan ϕ sec θ + tan θ = 1 (\sec{\theta}-\tan{\theta})(\sec{\phi}-\tan{\phi})=1 \\ = \frac{\sec{\phi}-\tan{\phi}}{\sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta}}=1

Notice that secant is even and tangent is odd. We can set the numerator and denominator equal if we let θ = ϕ \theta = -\phi . Referring back to the equations for x x and y y , this means x = y x = -y , and hence:

2013 x + y 5 x + y = 2012 x 4 x = 503 \frac{2013x+y}{5x+y} =\frac{2012x}{4x} =\boxed{503}

Can you please explain your last paragraph? Thanks!

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

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We want some angles θ \theta and ϕ \phi such that sec ϕ tan ϕ = sec θ + tan θ \sec{\phi}-\tan{\phi} = \sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta} , to satisfy the equation above the last paragraph. Essentially, we want to reverse the sign of the tangent while keeping the secant intact. Since tangent is odd and secant is even, only tangent is changed when you negate its angle. Therefore, if we plug in θ = ϕ \theta = -\phi :

sec θ + tan θ = sec ϕ + tan ϕ = sec ϕ tan ϕ \sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta} = \sec{-\phi}+\tan{-\phi} = \sec{\phi}-\tan{\phi}

Roy Tu - 6 years, 4 months ago

Let y = x 0 y=-x \ne 0 .

Then, ( x 2 + 2013 x ) ( y 2 + 2013 y ) = ( x 2 + 2013 x ) ( x 2 + 2013 + x ) (\sqrt{x^2+2013}-x)(\sqrt{y^2+2013}-y)=(\sqrt{x^2+2013}-x)(\sqrt{x^2+2013}+x)

= ( x 2 + 2013 ) x 2 = 2013 =(x^2+2013)-x^2=2013

Now, 2013 x + y 5 x + y = 2012 x 4 x = 503 \frac{2013x+y}{5x+y}=\frac{2012x}{4x}=\boxed{503}

Why y=-x ?

Kristian Vasilev - 6 years, 4 months ago

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The construction of the problem assumes that if there are multiple (x, y) solution pairs that satisfy the first equation, when plugged into the final expression they all resolve to a single, constant answer (otherwise there'd be multiple correct answers, which we assume is not the case).

There is only one constraint on what x and y can be, and x = -y solves it nicely. Hence, while there might be other values for x and y, they all give you the same answer when plugged into the final expression, so we don't need to find an exhaustive set.

Roy Tu - 6 years, 4 months ago

Exactly. Why y=-x? Why not -2x or 3x or anything else?

Omkar Kulkarni - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Any other choice would leave the LHS with square roots and none in RHS.

Janardhanan Sivaramakrishnan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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But you didn't prove that

Omkar Kulkarni - 6 years, 4 months ago

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