Your Friend’s Ratio “Mistake”

Geometry Level 3

While you are reviewing the ratio of figures in geometry, one of your questions is to find the ratio of area I I and area I I I III for the problem below. While you are “supposed” to use the fact that area I I I = I + I I III = I + II and that triangle I I and I I II share a height, one of your friends “mistakenly” just used two random known sides on triangle I I and I I I III , giving him 6 : ( 8 + 6 ) = 3 : 7 6 : (8 + 6) = 3 : 7 , which turned out to be the correct answer. Upon asking your teacher about why that worked she said that the numbers just “happened to work out that way”, but you aren’t completely sure if that is right.

Was your teacher correct that the method just happened to work out, and there is no direct reason for the connection?

Notes: For there to be a direct connection, this relationship must work for all situations like this, not just the situation in the diagram above.

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Zico Quintina
May 9, 2018

I'm not sure I understood the point here as the answer seems to be given in the question. Nevertheless....

We use the notation A I A_{I} for the area of triangle I I , etc. As noted in the question, A I I I = A I I + A I A_{III} = A_{II} + A_{I} , because the triangle formed by combining triangles I I II and I I has an equal base and the same height as triangle I I I III . Also as noted, triangles I I and I I II have equal heights; but this means that the ratio of their areas will equal the ratio of their bases. So A I : A I I = 6 : 8 A I : A I I + A I = 6 : ( 8 + 6 ) = 3 : 7 [and then, because A I I I = A I I + A I ] A I : A I I I = 3 : 7 \begin{aligned} A_{I} : A_{II} = 6 : 8 &\implies A_{I} : A_{II} + A_{I} = 6 : (8 + 6) = 3 : 7 \qquad \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{[and then, because } A_{III} = A_{II} + A_{I}] \\ &\implies A_{I} : A_{III} = 3 : 7 \end{aligned}

Sorry for the confusion, my hope for the problem was that while yes, by using these two sides you arrive at the correct solution, is there a “ direct ” connection between using these two sides for any scenario like this? I’ve hopefully made the question more clear, thanks for the help!

Calvin Osborne - 3 years, 1 month ago

Wow unused the same reasoning yet answered wrong... Better reading next time haha.

Peter van der Linden - 3 years, 1 month ago
Calvin Osborne
May 9, 2018

After me and my friend ran into this problem we tried using the ratio properties of triangles we had learned to understand why this result happened. When two triangles share a height, the ratio of their areas is the same as the ratio of their bases. Therefore, we tried finding a way to prove that the altitude of C E D \triangle CED (in the diagram below) drawn to A G \overline{AG} is congruent to the altitude of A B D \triangle ABD drawn to A G \overline{AG} .

Finally before we make some real headway into the problem, we should formalize what we are even trying to prove, which is,

For any A B C \triangle ABC , let A D \overline{AD} be the median drawn from point A A to B C \overline{BC} . Let E E be any point on A D \overline{AD} . The ratio of the areas A B D \triangle ABD and C E D \triangle CED is equal to the ratio of A D \overline{AD} to E D \overline{ED} .

Triangle Diagram Triangle Diagram

To prove this lets start by drawing altitudes B H \overline{BH} and C G \overline{CG} to their respective bases. To make it easier to visualize what's about to happen, lets move C G \overline{CG} "up" along its base, keeping it perpendicular to B G \overline{BG} , giving us D F \overline{DF} (note that it's length remains the same as it forms a rectangle). Because B H \overline{BH} and D F \overline{DF} are both perpendicular to the same line ( A G \overline{AG} ), B H D F \overline{BH} \parallel \overline{DF} . Base B C \overline{BC} is a transversal that cuts B H \overline{BH} and D F \overline{DF} , so H B D F D C \angle HBD \cong \angle FDC , and because of the A A S AAS Congruency Theorem, B H D D F C \triangle BHD \cong \triangle DFC . Then, the altitudes are congruent, so the ratio of areas is equal to the ratio of bases, and we've proved our conjecture.

It turns out that there is a reason for the relationship and the numbers didn't just happen to work out, pretty neat!

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