[Calvin] For an integer kk, does 0k 0 \mid k or does k0 k \mid 0?

I've been getting a lot of clarification questions from users of all levels asking

"Does 0k 0 \mid k? Does k0 k \mid 0?"

So, how do you determine if either of these statements are true? And how do you help someone else remember which one is true?

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Note by Calvin Lin
8 years, 5 months ago

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Well, the term "a | b" just means that a divides b evenly (or b is a multiple of a). So, this means that b/a is an integer.

Thus, our first term is k/0, which (hopefully obviously) leads to wonky things. Dividing by zero is a iffy business, and usually leads to mass confusion unless you know limits, so I'm just going to say it doesn't work.

Our second term is 0/k. This always equals zero (unless k is zero, then it's even more scary). Thus, 0 | k = 0, but k | 0 is undefined (again, if you know limits, this doesn't exactly apply).

The way I always remembered it was thinking of the | as a reverse fraction of sorts. Usually, when I see a fraction written like 3/4, I read it left to right. The | just means that I read it right to left. But that's just me.

Steven Jin - 8 years, 5 months ago

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That's a good way to remember it Steven. I remember it as a rotation of 9090^\circ anti clockwise to go from ab a \mid b to ba \frac {b}{a}.

Of course, division by 0 leads to "wonky things", and this idea still works for k0k\neq 0. 0k \frac {0}{k} makes sense, so k0 k \mid 0, but k0\frac {k}{0} doesn't make sense and 0k 0 \nmid k. However, it breaks down at 00 \frac {0}{0} not making sense while 00 0 \mid 0 .

If you refer back to the definition, the reason why this happens is because fractions is defined as in terms of division (can't divide by 0) and the divide notation is defined in terms of multiplication (can multiply by 0).

Calvin Lin Staff - 8 years, 5 months ago

I think only k0k | 0 where k0k \neq 0

Zi Song Yeoh - 8 years, 5 months ago

The way I learned divisibility from my abstract algebra book states in a ring a|b implies there is some k in the ring such that ak = b. By that definition k|0 for any integer k.

Lawrence Sun - 8 years, 5 months ago

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This is what I think

Zi Song Yeoh - 8 years, 5 months ago
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