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in the equation ax^2+bx+c=0 the ratio between its roots equals 4/3

prove that:12b^2=49ac

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8 years ago

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Let the roots be 4k 4k and 3k 3k . Then we have 4k+3k=ba    7k=ba 4k + 3k = \frac{-b}{a} \implies 7k= \frac{-b}{a} and 4k3k=ca    12k2=ca 4k*3k= \frac{c}{a} \implies 12k^2= \frac{c}{a} . From the first equation k=b7a k= \frac{-b}{7a} . Plugging this value into the second equation, 12(b7a)2=ca    12b2=49ac 12* ( \frac{b}{7a})^2 = \frac{c}{a} \implies 12b^2= 49ac [proven].

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What about factoring in the a into the problem?

Bob Krueger - 8 years ago

YOU DID NOT PROVE 12b^2=49ac you proved 12b^2=49c sorry i forgot putting the coffecient of x^2
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abdelrahman ali - 8 years ago

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His proof works, just replace the first two statements to 4k+3k=ba4k+3k=-\frac{b}{a} and 4k3k=ca4k*3k=\frac{c}{a} and do the exact same steps: k=b7ak=-\frac{b}{7a}. Plug in:12(b7a)2=ca12*(-\frac{b}{7a})^2=\frac{c}{a}, which simplifies to 12b2=49ac12b^2=49ac.

Mattias Olla - 8 years ago

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@Mattias Olla you are right

abdelrahman ali - 8 years ago

Neat problem. Nice proof. I'll write one up in a day or two to let others solve the problem.

Bob Krueger - 8 years ago

Most simple way to proof: Using Algebra b+b24ac2abb24ac2a=43b+b24acbb24ac=43\frac {\frac {-b + \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}}{\frac {-b-\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}}=\frac{4}{3}\Rightarrow\frac {-b + \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{-b-\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}=\frac{4}{3}\Rightarrow (Cross multiplication) 3b+3b24ac=4b4b24acb=7b24acb2=49(b24ac)b2=49b2196ac48b2=196ac12b2=49ac-3b+3\sqrt{b^2-4ac}=-4b-4\sqrt{b^2-4ac}\Rightarrow b=-7\sqrt{b^2-4ac}\Rightarrow b^2=49(b^2-4ac)\Rightarrow b^2=49b^2-196ac\Rightarrow48b^2=196ac\Rightarrow12b^2=49ac [proven in the simplest way]

Timothy Wong - 8 years ago

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Sure seems like a lot of algebra to me. Not that simple. Not that elegant.

Bob Krueger - 8 years ago

This can be proved by Vieta's formula!!!

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