Got stuck at a point -3

While solving the four points on a square Bonus problem I was stuck at a last point (if someone solves this, then I can make a set of steps as an answer to the problem) please try to help.

Consider the following diagram (0<PQR<180°0<\angle PQR < 180\degree) : Let a process P1P_1 on a point AA that is on semicircle QRQR be defined as follows :

  • Join AP\overline{AP} and AQ\overline{AQ}

  • Extend AQ\overline{AQ} till it intersects the semicircle RQRQ at a point B

  • Join RB\overline{RB} and extend

  • Draw the angular bisector of PAQ\angle PAQ and let it intersect extended RB\overline{RB} at point AA'

  • Let AA' be called as the output of the process

An illustration of process P1P_1 on a point AA on the semicircle QRQR (red\red{red} line is the angular bisector) :

Now imagine that you does this process on every point of the semicircle QPQP and marks each and every output, what will be the shape made by those outputs? (A circle, A parabola, A square...)


Note:

  • Any point on the diameter is not counted as a point on the semicircle

  • If anyone gives the answer with a proof, I will immediately write a solution to the four point in square problem as I am just one solution far to the problem (that is this problem)

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Note by Zakir Husain
11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Have a look at this, it might help :)

Jeff Giff - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Wow,how do you make it.. @Jeff Giff

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Sketchbook, iPad. Designed for art, but works well in these situations :)

Jeff Giff - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

I had also tried to make this and i also got an approximated circle, but I need a proof for that.

Zakir Husain - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yes,math requires proof.I am also trying to prove.

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

Are QR and QP perpendicular to each other ?? Please reply @Zakir Husain

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member No they are at an arbitrary angle

Zakir Husain - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Zakir Husain Oooooooo ,

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

Hint: Complete the semicircles. Call the midpoint of arc PQPQ(the one that the angle bisector will pass through) MM, and the two completed circle intersect at another point QQ'. You can try to prove that R,A,Q,MR,A',Q',M are concyclic. (Since R,Q,MR,Q',M are fixed points, this leads to the locus of AA' being a circle. A simple angle chasing will prove this. Actually, this is just a special case of Miquel's theorem, or Pivot theorem, so the proof is the same.)

X X - 11 months, 1 week ago

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Hope this hint helps, and I'm looking forward to see your solution to the four point in square problem !

X X - 11 months, 1 week ago

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Yes,it helps.....

A Former Brilliant Member - 11 months, 1 week ago

I have only 1 doubt, what is the angle between seg QP and seg QR, I know it has to be greater than 0 degrees and lesser than 180 degrees, otherwise getting point B is not possible on the other semicircle, unless the point A coincides with the endpoints of the diameter or is on the diameter, which you have restricted from doing so. Also not greater than 180, because the semicircles would overlap then which I assume is not allowed.

Siddharth Chakravarty - 11 months ago

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0<PQR<π0<\angle PQR<\pi

Zakir Husain - 11 months ago

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Yes that is what I meant, thank you! I will work on the proof now and see if I can do it.👍

Siddharth Chakravarty - 11 months ago

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@Kriti Kamal

Zakir Husain - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

This one appeared in Terence Tao (yes he!!) 's book in late 90's.

Vishwash Kumar ΓΞΩ - 10 months, 3 weeks ago
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