Help me!

(x+1)(x2+1)=(x+1+1)(x+2) (x+1)( x^{2}+1)=( \sqrt{x+1}+1)(x+2)

#Algebra

Note by Cong Thanh
5 years ago

No vote yet
1 vote

  Easy Math Editor

This discussion board is a place to discuss our Daily Challenges and the math and science related to those challenges. Explanations are more than just a solution — they should explain the steps and thinking strategies that you used to obtain the solution. Comments should further the discussion of math and science.

When posting on Brilliant:

  • Use the emojis to react to an explanation, whether you're congratulating a job well done , or just really confused .
  • Ask specific questions about the challenge or the steps in somebody's explanation. Well-posed questions can add a lot to the discussion, but posting "I don't understand!" doesn't help anyone.
  • Try to contribute something new to the discussion, whether it is an extension, generalization or other idea related to the challenge.
  • Stay on topic — we're all here to learn more about math and science, not to hear about your favorite get-rich-quick scheme or current world events.

MarkdownAppears as
*italics* or _italics_ italics
**bold** or __bold__ bold

- bulleted
- list

  • bulleted
  • list

1. numbered
2. list

  1. numbered
  2. list
Note: you must add a full line of space before and after lists for them to show up correctly
paragraph 1

paragraph 2

paragraph 1

paragraph 2

[example link](https://brilliant.org)example link
> This is a quote
This is a quote
    # I indented these lines
    # 4 spaces, and now they show
    # up as a code block.

    print "hello world"
# I indented these lines
# 4 spaces, and now they show
# up as a code block.

print "hello world"
MathAppears as
Remember to wrap math in \( ... \) or \[ ... \] to ensure proper formatting.
2 \times 3 2×3 2 \times 3
2^{34} 234 2^{34}
a_{i-1} ai1 a_{i-1}
\frac{2}{3} 23 \frac{2}{3}
\sqrt{2} 2 \sqrt{2}
\sum_{i=1}^3 i=13 \sum_{i=1}^3
\sin \theta sinθ \sin \theta
\boxed{123} 123 \boxed{123}

Comments

What have you tried? Have you tried squaring the equation? The only real solution is 1+52 \dfrac{1+\sqrt5}2 .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

Can you solve it in steps? It also has (15)/2 (1- \sqrt{5})/2

Cong Thanh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

Oh right, I forgot to count the negative sign.

Rearrange the equation: (x+1)(x2+1)x+21=x+1 \dfrac{(x+1)(x^2+1)}{x+2} - 1 = \sqrt{x+1} . Now square both sides of the equation and simplify it.

You will get the equation x6+2x5+x43x37x28x3=0x^6+2 x^5+x^4-3 x^3-7 x^2-8 x-3 = 0 . Factorize it and show that it only has two real roots: 1±52 \dfrac{1\pm\sqrt5}2 .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Pi Han Goh Thank for your help! My friend solves it by f(x)=f(x+1) f(x)=f( \sqrt{x+1}) (x+1)(x2+1)=(x+1+1)(x+12+1) ( x+1)( x^{2}+1)=( \sqrt{x+1}+1)( \sqrt{x+1}^{2}+1) It also is f(a)=(a2+1)(a+1) f(a)=(a^{2}+1)(a+1) <=> x=x+1=>x2x1=0 x= \sqrt{x+1} => x^{2}-x-1=0

Cong Thanh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Cong Thanh That's a very nice approach! But the thing is, you didn't prove that they are the only solutions. It make sense that if f(x)=f(x+1)f(x) = f(\sqrt{x+1}) , then x=x+1x = \sqrt{x+1} , but does that mean that they are the only solution?

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Pi Han Goh This comes from the one-one nature of f(x)f(x).

f(x)=x3+x2+x+1f(x)=x^3+x^2+x+1 Since f(x)f(x) is a odd degree polynomial, for proving f(x)f(x) to be one-one, it suffices to prove f(x)f(x) is monotonically increasing.

f(x)=3x2+2x+1>0xRf'(x)=3x^2+2x+1>0\forall x\in\mathfrak R ( This comes from the fact that discriminant of f(x)f'(x) is ve-ve.)

Hence f(x1)=f(x2)    x1=x2x1,x2Rf(x_1)=f(x_2)\iff x_1=x_2\forall x_1,x_2\in\mathfrak R.

Is it right @Pi Han Goh ?

Rishabh Jain - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Rishabh Jain You don't need to use quadratic discriminant. Other than that, your solution is perfect.

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Pi Han Goh Are you talking abt alternate method to prove one-one nature of f(x)f(x)?

Rishabh Jain - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Rishabh Jain No no. You're missing the point here. the domain for xx is x>1x>-1 right? Just show that 3x2+2x+13x^2 + 2x + 1 is strictly positive and you're done.

Of course you can use quad discriminant as well....

Pi Han Goh - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Pi Han Goh Oh that way... Oops :-)

Rishabh Jain - 5 years ago

@Pi Han Goh I don't know but i know you can prove it!

Cong Thanh - 5 years ago
×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...