Let f(n)=a1n+a2n+…+ann
where all variables are positive integers. For instance
f(2)f(3)==a12+a22a13+a23+a33
and so on.
I propose the following Conjecture:
There are infinitely many valid solutions for f(2)=f(3)=f(4)=….
For instance for f(2)=f(3), we have 73=32+82=13+23+43. Similarly for f(2)=f(3)=f(4) we have 11378=672+832=13+93+223 =14+34+64+104.
In my opinion there are infinitely many solutions for each case. Can anyone share insights on how to prove this conjecture?
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Extension to my comment. I claim the following:
Suppose a2,a3,a4,…,ak are positive integers such that:
Then F2∩F3∩…∩Fk is non-empty.
The idea is that we represent ai as the sum of i numbers that are i-th powers, and then multiply them with some i-th power so that all of them are equal. Of course, because there are things like a2 multiplied by a square and a4 multiplied by a fourth power (which is also a square), we cannot pick the ai randomly, otherwise we might get stuck (say, a2 has a single factor of 2 and a4 has two, if you try the obvious 2=12+12 and 4=14+14+14+14; you can't make them equal).
The second condition is the formalization of "we can't pick them randomly". By Bezout's identity, we can find p,q so that qn−pm=gcd(m,n); we make sure that the quotient anam is a gcd(m,n)-th power, so that we can multiply am by a pm-th power and an by a qn-th power, which by canceling is equivalent to multiplying an by a gcd(m,n)-th power, what we desire to make am and an equal.
This way, we only need to find a2,a3,…,ak; this is more freedom than finding a single member of F2∩F3∩…∩Fk directly. I believe that it should be enough to show there always exists a solution, but I don't have a proof yet. For example, we can use this to find a member of F2∩F3∩F4:
a2a3a4=25=10=2500===32+4213+13+2354+54+54+54
The only possible problem from the second condition is m=2,n=4. (For (m,n)=(2,3),(3,4), both of them give gcd(m,n)=1, and all rationals are the first power of some rational, namely themselves, so this condition is trivial.) The quotient a4a2 is 1001, which is a gcd(2,4)=2-nd power of a rational 101. So the second condition is satisfied; we should be able to find the multipliers.
We can indeed multiply a2 by 25000002, a3 by 250003, a4 by 5004 to get:
25000002a2250003a35004a4=156250000000000==156250000000000==156250000000000=75000002+100000002250003+250003+50000325004+25004+25004+25004
Thus 156250000000000∈F2∩F3∩F4.
Finding the multipliers above (25000002,250003,5004) can be done by solving simple modular equations. Suppose the multipliers are m22,m33,m44 for a2,a3,a4 respectively. Then,
Note that for each prime factor, we have one degree of freedom. We can use modular arithmetic to figure out what values that any one particular variable can take; we simply choose any of them, which will propagate to the rest. In this case, we happen to select m2,2=5,m3,2=3,m4,2=2 and m2,5=7,m3,5=5,m4,5=3 as the smallest solution. Also, we can simply choose ki=1 that satisfies everything; we can in fact choose ki=ak!/i for any a, as given in my previous comment to give infinitely many solutions.
(Yes, I'm still not that good in LaTeX. Someone can fix up the aligning?)
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Really nice analysis!
Thanks for your analysis, I recently had seen this video on Numberphile and ended up thinking about this problem. Since as mentioned in that video you can not represent numbers of form 9k+4 or 9k+5 as sum of 3 cubes, I was thinking whether there is some way we can narrow down solution set for my problem for higher values of n, by eliminating such numbers which are not possible.
Because the notation is so awful, let me rephrase it: Fk is the set of positive integers that can be represented as a1k+a2k+a3k+…+akk where a1,a2,a3,…,ak are positive integers. The conjecture is thus F2∩F3∩F4∩…∩Fk is infinite for any positive integer k.
The easier part is that if said intersection is non-empty, then it is infinite. If n∈F2∩…∩Fk, then ak!n∈F2∩…Fk for all positive integer a, because if n=a1i+a2i+…+aii then ak!n=(ak!/ia1)i+(ak!/ia2)i+…+(ak!/iai)i. Thus now the problem is reduced to proving that said intersection is non-empty.
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Thanks, I am not good with notations. That's why I had given examples to make it more clear. Nice rephrasing but I fail to understand how proving non-empty set would help in proving infinitely many solutions. I mean even if there is a single solution, the set would be non-empty, right? I may be missing something. May be a stupid question.
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I've shown how to generate infinitely many solutions from a single solution. Thus if we can find any one solution, we can use my method to generate infinitely many solutions from that. This is similar to, for example, we have the Pythagorean triple (3,4,5) and we can generate infinitely many from that: (6,8,10),(9,12,15),(12,16,20),….
Vikram, this sounds like the kind of problem which proof you've written down somewhere in the margin of a book, right? This is similar to, but unfortunately too different from, Waring's Problem.
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Nice to see you here. Sorry for such a delayed response as I was bit busy. I recently had seen this video on Numberphile and ended up thinking about this problem. I liked that subtle reference to Fermat :)
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I think it's safe to say that if we modified your conjecture to include the condition that all of the numbers had to be different (like your posted problem related to this), this becomes a much more difficult feat to prove.
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1,9,22 making up 13+93+223 and 1,3,6,10 making up 14+34+64+104 to be different), but numbers between expressions to be allowed to be equal (1 is shared between them), simply modify the definition of Fi appropriately (so that it contains numbers that are the sum of i distinct positive i-th powers). If you don't even allow numbers between expressions to be equal, that becomes more difficult.
Depending on which numbers that are different, my work above might still hold. If you only require numbers that make up a single expression to be different (likeEDIT: Actually, no, it's not much more difficult. Multiply the number with a big ak! number. For example, for the solution 11378 above, multiply it by 224. The expressions are now (28)3+(9⋅28)3+(22⋅28)3 and (26)4+(3⋅26)4+(6⋅26)4+(10⋅26)4; the 1s are no longer equal.
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On the other hand, finding the smallest solution is almost always a CS problem. Most constructions in math aren't specifically engineered to find the smallest solution.
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