JEE Main : Rank Declared! But, is it fair?
Just a while ago, the All India Ranks for the Nation-wide examination JEE Main were released by CBSE.
I secured an All India Overall Rank of 9813 (Marks : 212 and 86% in HSC Boards), which is, according to me, a horrible rank.
The question is : Are these ranks fair? What do you think of the Normalization method that CBSE has adopted?
Please comment below, and also share your All India ranks with the corresponding marks.
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Anish Puthuraya
6 years, 11 months ago
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Could you just add the tag #Cruel ??? Ha ha...... B)
Well, I got AIR 83. 300 in JEE Mains and 95.38% in Boards.
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You are stupendous, Sudeep. Kudos! You really deserve that rank..Congratulations
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Thanks.
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Hey congrats! I would like to know how was your schedule and how you studied. I am a 9th class student
Thumbs Up for the best performer on Brilliant!!
these are your PCM percentage ..right
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Nope. It is my overall percentage.
Great job, Sudeep! Hearty congratulations!!!
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Thank you!
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You are really dangerous, man! So brilliant! Keep it up :)
Congrats Sudeep ! BTW, did you try for Olympiads?
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No, I did not.
What was your JEE Advanced rank, Sudeep?
Bhaia..how to prepare organic chemistry..now only few months r left so my question is .is ncert enough for jee mains to get air 5000 or around it
As far as the normalization and marking system is concerned, I find it neither sensible nor required. Firstly, the very inclusion of Board marks or percentile for that purpose is not required and not even apt. It is not even near to an apple to apple comparison. In Boards, a candidate can easily score well if he can memorize extensively even without understanding a single word. On the other hand, in JEE Mains atleast it is expected of a candidate to have a more comprehensive knowledge of the subject. Though, at this point I have to agree that in attempt to bring Mains closer to CBSE standards and syllabi its standard has degraded and significantly moved away to qualify to serve as a screening test for the country's toughest exam. Moreover, all the boards are not at par in terms of teaching standards, marking systems etc. For example, this time in Maharashtra State Board a guy who got around 84% was among the top 1% of the students and on the other hand in CBSE, the candidate who had a percentile of 80 secured about 82%. This perhaps speaks everything.
The worst affected are the mediocre students. Even if they mess up once, anywhere, they are sure to receive a big jolt, definitely not comparable to the mistake they have committed. There is an urgent need to review this system of normalization to promote the genuine caliber of the country because this unfair system is making the future of the country really bleak.
I got a overall rank of 299 and 96.8% in CBSE. I scored 289 in mains. However, I feel injustice has been done as my friend who is a Gujarat board student who has got 96% and 293 has a rank of 100. I see no logic how such little differences in marks can lead to such large difference in ranks.
However, I completely agree that the mediocre students suffer the most.
I don't know about how they use the Normalisation method but think about it in this way. 1.3 million students took part in this (from my sources) so your rank is in the top 0.8%. That is incredible.
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That is true, but take a look at this..
A student got 232 marks in the exam, but still got a rank of 15000.
While, a student with say 180 marks has secured a rank of well below 5000.
This is because the former student scored less in his boards, while the latter performed exceptionally well. Now, this is where I think it is unfair. If you know Indian education system well, then you must know that the Board examination requires you to just memorize everything, and nothing else. This does not test one's intellect at all, and thus must not be considered as a criteria for a student's rank in what is possibly the most important examination in recent times.
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Ah, they're testing one's ability to memorise... Not sure how that is the main thing for tertiary education. :-0
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The only people who need to learn how to memorise without using intellect are politicians.
Yeah, thats what Im saying
Yes, that is true. In my opinion, the averaging is unfair although this occurs in Australia. My teachers says that averaging occurs because if someone happened to fluke a test or if they were too stressed out to get a good mark, they have their previous test added to the load. But, it still seems unfair. I am talking only primary and high school whereas you're talking about something way more important. Guess that's life. BTW, I like what you learn in schools in India but not how you learn them.
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That last sentence is so true..
this system is really cruel yesterday i saw a post on fb their results were compared one guy was from state board and another was from cbse both have secured 168 marks in jee mains but when their A.I.R were shown the state board guy got somewhere around 11000 and the cbse guy got somewhere around 48000.just because of diference in few marks in boards having same score in jee their rank difference was so large.i was thinking that the system which was before 2013 was really great you will get your A.I.R will solely depend on your performence and your marks in AIEEE and IITJEE so i would like to know your views on the previous pattern @Anish Puthuraya @jatin yadav @Sudeep Salgia @Karthik Kannan @Avineil Jain.
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It only shows that CBSE board wants you to study in a state board school. They don't want any student in their schools, only teachers!?
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Funny though. I thought, since JEE-Main is conducted by CBSE, they would favor the students in CBSE, not the other way round.
I definitely agree with you about the boards. But you should also take into account that the littlest of changes in our education system nowadays causes a huge uproar every time. Imagine what would happen if the score in boards wasn't considered in the merit list... You must remember that we are a minority here... Some of my friends share my views, but most want the board marks to be considered as they easily score 90%+ there whereas they don't expect a good score at all in mains.
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Thats true, indeed.
You're correct. But such things need to be thought before and during the policy making. Perhaps, the ideologies to please the mass without rewarding the cream is what weakens the growth of the society.
I truly agree with you
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Are you a student of FIITJEE ? @Ronak Agarwal
i totally agree with u
@Anish Puthuraya , do you have any idea how the normalization is done? I think they multiply your percentile with your score (both separately) & add it up...I am not sure. Also, the board marks (86%) are only PCM marks, right?
But dont they consider percentile marks? I also am in disfavour of it because in other boards (I think) that subjective checking wherein fools check our paper. Write a thing which is given in textbook in another way and off there goes your marks. This time they gave me 26 of 50 in chemistry in subjective and i am not that big an fool. I have signed petition. Pls sign the petition and request that the whole involving of board gets removed. Lets hope for some change.
Please sign this petition
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+1 from me.
I suppose that's ranking is a way of making certain people feel good and some bad. Many are done this way because everyone is good but it can't be for everyone. In my opinion, I'd say I'm not really into this kind of system but that's just how it is. As for my ranks/marks... I didn't attempt the exam to get one. :P
It's a really really bad system of assessing a student............
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Unfair. They don't want innovative ones they want memorizing ones.... : (
Well I totally agree with u Anish inspite of the fact that i was one among the lucky ones to get advantage of the normalization. In 2013,My rank was AIR-5225 ;MAINS SCORE-190; & 96.0% in CBSE 12th. This year too i had written mains for the sake of advance & was surprised to see my rank 8223 with a mains score of 170 only!. my friends with scores higher than me still got terrible ranks. Had there been no normalization i would have got a rank of somewhere around 15-20k.. But many of my friends were not as lucky inspite of scoring well in mains. That makes me feel really bad about the system . I really wish the authorities revert the procedure to its previous form & stop playing with the lives of thousands of aspirants.
BTW tell me about ur advance score & rank & where r u seeking admissions? - @Anish Puthuraya
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Glad that you agree with me. I really feel sad for the injustice done to the students. I feel that there are only 2 things that have affected the quality of JEE severely :
1) Reservation
2) Inclusion of boards
My JEE-Advanced score is 195, thus giving me a rank of 2776. I have already been allotted a seat in IIT-Bombay 5yr Metallurgy engineering and Materials Science with M.Tech. in Ceramics and Composites, which might improve in the third round, due on 12th July.
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Talking about the factors which have affected the quality of JEE, perhaps the list does not end here. Before expanding on that, I would like to add that I agree with the point of "Reservations". Actually they were initially brought into the system to make it "fair" and provide equal opportunities to the underprivileged children. However, it was good on a temporary basis but it slowly assumed permanency. The actual solution lies in the fact of slowly abolishing reservations by making the children competent enough by providing sufficient amenities.
Nevertheless, coming to the deeper analysis of what has affected JEE, I would agree with you about the points you mentioned but they are not the sole factors. Deep inside there are other factors too, but are not so easily conspicuous. For example, the exponential increase in the popularity of JEE. The coaching classes and other such institutes have so terribly popularized JEE that it seems as if almost every other child is an IIT aspirant, independent of his potential or caliber. The popularity has crept down so much into the interiors of the country that it now feels that the only equation that exists regarding engineering is now that Engineering=IIT. And JEE has collapsed under this load. Moreover, these coaching institutes perform such extensive researches regarding JEE that it has become difficult for the IIT's to keep up the level of the exam. The proposal of including state entrance examination into JEE Main by CBSE has just added salt to the wounds. And the solution proposed is splitting into Mains and Advanced wherein one and a half lac students are only eligible for the Advanced. And after all this when one sees that the cutoff for the top 10−12% students is even less than 35% of the maximum marks, I think it is not difficult for you to realize the " unnecessary" burden JEE has to carry. Perhaps, this is one of the "not-so-easily-seen" aspects that have affected JEE.
The first point is so effective that it almost paves a clear path for their benefactors and thereby throws out a general student out of the race. Though excellent students like you won't face much. I might be a bit rude but this factor really needs to be sought after. I am curious to know how does admission outside India take place.
Congratulations buddy
BTW This year was my last attempt in advance & I scored 149 with rank of 10753.
I Have to continue in NITR for B.tech.
wishing u all the very best and have fun in IIT.
also hoping that our juniors should not face the wrath of normalization.
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Thank you very much.
does iit takes board percentage or percentile into consideration during admissions
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only need to get into top 20 percentile of respective boards. For mah hsc it is 65% and for cbse it is i guess 83%
I'm confused what is JEE Main? Rankings for what? What's the normalization method? Can someone help me please?
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U will understand when u start preparing for entrance exam. JEE main is all india exam conducted by cbse board. U will get into nits or othr pvt or gov colleges via this rank. You will b qualified to jee adv if u get rank below 150000 and if u r in top 20 percentile of hsc board. Normalization means that the rank is on the basis of both jee main and ur state board score. But to get into iits they only consider ur inclusion in top 20 percentile in boards exam and iit jee rank.
@Anish Puthuraya @Avineil Jain Did you take any sort of Classroom Coaching or Distance learning for cracking JEE Advance ? Also how to keep focus on both boards and JEE both at the same time.
bro u will get in calicut or warangal! so chill.
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Im not worried about myself, since, Ill be going to IIT. But, still, Im worried about the students who did not do well in JEE-Advanced, and thus will affected by this unfair judgement.
The authorities claim that they have considered the following weightage : 60% Mains and 40% Boards.
But, after looking at some results, it is very hard to believe that that is true. And even if it is true, it is very unfair.
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JEE-MAINS is touted for its unexpected and unfair normalization techniques. You might be knowing from your seniors about these issues. Let me give you an example about myself(2013): AIR-7885, 232, 91.6%(CBSE).
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Why? Seriously, why? How is this process executed? Why did you get such a rank, when it clearly should have been around 5000?
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They say that the normalization is done by ISI-Kolkata but I don't why and how such things happen. I was quite fed up with this while I was expecting atleast a seat in MNNIT(for that I needed to get an AIR under 5000 as pointed out by you). But then I was kind of ok when the WBJEE result was declared( I got an AIR 85).
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WOW! That's an amazing rank..
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Why was my previous comment downvoted twice ? Did I overclaim anything ?
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Haha, someone's sentiments must have been hurt!
You may not get any of the preferred branches though in Warangal. With my experience you need to have an AIR below 2000(or even less).
Hey dude i have 124 marks and my rank is near to 150000....i have 94% in my board exam.....really the jee rank sucks.....
Now that'd.. Rediculous .. :-P
which rank is counted for nits ( general category ) overall rank or category rank?? i mean jo previous years cut offs mein dikhate hain.... whats dat?? @Anish Puthuraya @jatin yadav @Sudeep Salgia @Karthik Kannan @Avineil Jain
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Overall rank, my friend
I got 147 in mains and 87 % in hsc..I know it really sucks..I feel like taking a drop..am I too late..n do u all suggest a drop?
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I wish this was your 1st attempt in jee . if so it's better to take a year drop and prepare sincerely .
If not then try for somrthing else!
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Its 1st attempt..but I am not dure about drop
Yes..Board Marks should not be included....What about someone who is highly passionate and skilled slum but does not have the resources to go to school?
what does iit takes into consideration board percentage or percentile during admissions??
On which website did you see your rank
I got 175 marks and was expecting a rank at least within 10000. but with 94% my rank is 15000. A friend of mine scored only 126 but with a percentage of 96.2, he secured a rank of 13890. I couldn't believe my eyes.
My daughter has got 962 AP state board and 122 in jee mains belongs OBC what is expected rank ?
@Anish Puthuraya @Megh Parikh @Sudeep Salgia @Sharky Kesa As I've checked, those who read in some less popular state boards like West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh, Tripura,etc., have much low board cut off marks for JEE main than thos in CBSE. While the board cutoff for CBSE is above 92%, it's around the room of 80%s for those boards. Does that mean someone learning in those boards will get selected for mains securing lower than a CBSE board student? Please confirm me about this fact! I'm a student preparing for HS.
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Yes that is true. You have to be in the top 20 percent of the board in which you are taking the 12th standard examination.
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Hey, Sudeep which hostel and room number? I really haven't seen you, Aviniel and Anish. Sorry to interrupt in this discussion but this is the only way I can communicate with you guys.⌣¨
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I wanted to meet you too. I am in hostel 16, 1013. And you? I'll tag others for you @Anish Puthuraya and @Avineil Jain for you.
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Hostel 16 318 :)
Hostel 15, wing B, room no. 813. We all shall meet some time (I am actually currently at home).⌣¨
So as I'm in WBCHSE, I'll be benefited over CBSE Students! Whoa!