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$\large{ \begin{cases} a^3 = 3(b^2+c^2)-25 \\ b^3=3(c^2+a^2)-25 \\ c^3=3(a^2+b^2)-25 \end{cases}}$

Let $a,b$ and $c$ be distinct real numbers satisfying the system of equations above. Find the product $abc$ .

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Suppose that we have a solution of distinct reals $(a,b,c)$ . Let $S = a^2 + b^2 + c^2$ .
Then, we have $a^3 + 3a^2 + 25 = 3 (a^2 + b^2 + c^2 ) = 3S$ , and similar equations for $b$ and $c$ .

Since these are distinct reals, we know that the roots to the cubic equation $X^3 + 3X^2 + 25 - 3S = 0$ must be $a, b, c$ .
Hence, by vieta's formula, this tells us $a+b+c = -3, ab+bc+ca = 0$ .

Thus, $S = (a^2+b^2+c^2) = (a+b+c)^2 - 2(ab+bc+ca) = 9$ . Finally, using the constant coefficient, $abc = - ( 25 - 3S ) = - (25 - 27) = 2$ .

Note: We can now solve $x^3 + 3x^2 -2 = 0$ to obtain that $(a,b,c) = ( -1, -1 - \sqrt{3}, -1 + \sqrt{3} )$ .

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

good simple approach!

Ayush G Rai - 5 years ago

Hint: What can we say about $a^3 + 3a^2 + 25$ ?

The next hint is in white text, so you will need to Toggle Latex.

Hint: For a given solution set, consider $\color{#FFFFFF} { f(x) = x^3 + 3x^2 + 25 - 3(a^2+b^2+c^2). \text{What are the roots?}}$

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

@Calvin Lin Please help me out with the problem!!!!

Ankit Kumar Jain - 5 years ago

Which problem? This one? If so, see the hint.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

@Calvin Lin – How to toggle latex??

Ankit Kumar Jain - 5 years ago

@Ankit Kumar Jain – On browser, click on your profile icon

But otherwise, (since the above is already a spoiler space), the second hint says

For a given solution set, consider $f(x) = x^3 + 3x^2 + 25 - 3(a^2+b^2+c^2).$ What are the roots?

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

@Calvin Lin – Sir it hence means that ABC = 2

Ankit Kumar Jain - 5 years ago

first subtract the equation simultaneously to get $\begin{cases} a^3-b^3=-3(a^2-b^2)\\ b^3-c^3=-3(b^2-c^2)\\ c^3-a^3=-3(c^2-a^2) \end{cases}$ since all variable are distinct we can divide both side by (a-b),(b-c),(c-a) respectively. we get $\begin{cases} a^2+ab+b^2+3(a+b)=0\\ b^2+bc+c^2+3(b+c)=0\\ c^2+ca+c^2+3(c+a)=0\\ \end{cases}$ subtract any two equation to get $a+b+c=-3$ add all the equations to get $2(a^2+b^2+c^2)+ab+bc+ca+6(a+b+c)=0$ using the fact $a^2+b^2+c^2=(a+b+c)^2-2(ab+bc+ca)=9-2(ab+bc+ca)$ $ab+bc+ca=0$ adding all the original equations $a^3+b^3+c^3=6(a^2+b^2+c^2)-75=-21$ using the identity $a^3+b^3+c^3=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-bc-ca)+3abc=-27+3abc$ so we have $-27+3abc=-21\to abc=2$

Aareyan Manzoor - 5 years ago

Awesome solution...(+1) one of the best.

Ayush G Rai - 5 years ago

The answer is $abc=2$

Janardhanan Sivaramakrishnan - 5 years ago

can you post your solution?

Ayush G Rai - 5 years ago

This is from NMTC 2015 lvl 2

Ankit Kumar Jain - 5 years ago

you are absolutely correct.

Ayush G Rai - 5 years ago

What is the sum of 1!+2!+3!+4!+.....+n!

Bunneng Nath - 5 years ago

why do you want that?

Ayush G Rai - 5 years ago

Actually, there is no neat closed form expression for $\sum_{n=1}^{k}\,n!$ .

There are some formulae but you would need to know about exponential integrals and several other advance concepts for understanding them.

However, there are some series involving factorials like $\sum_{n=1}^{k}\,n \cdot n!$ which can be described by simple expressions.

Aditya Sky - 5 years ago

Math	Appears as
Remember to wrap math in `\(` ... `\)` or `\[` ... `\]` to ensure proper formatting.
`2 \times 3`	$2 \times 3$
`2^{34}`	$2^{34}$
`a_{i-1}`	$a_{i-1}$
`\frac{2}{3}`	$\frac{2}{3}$
`\sqrt{2}`	$\sqrt{2}$
`\sum_{i=1}^3`	$\sum_{i=1}^3$
`\sin \theta`	$\sin \theta$
`\boxed{123}`	$\boxed{123}$