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Let a,b,a,b, and cc be positive reals. Prove abc(a+bc)(b+ca)(c+ab)abc\geq (a+b-c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b).

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Yes, one of my favourite substitution. But please note that for getting help from your best friend Ravi Substitution, shouldn't a,b,ca,b,c be given as sides of a triangle. Anyways, I will post a proof

Lets assume a,b,ca,b,c are sides of a triangle. Then By using Ravi Substitution,a=x+y,b=y+z,c=z+xa=x+y,b=y+z,c=z+x So, now it is left to prove that (x+y)(y+z)(z+x) \geq 8xyz Now, its very easy using AM-GM, As x+y \geq 2 \sqrt{xy},y+z \geq 2 \sqrt{yz},z+x \geq 2 \sqrt{zx} Multiplying the above results, we get out desired result

Now, Let's assume that a,b,ca,b,c are not lengths of a triangle.

Then, at least one of (a+bc),(b+ca),(c+ab)(a+b-c),(b+c-a),(c+a-b) terms is negative. So,

(a+bc)(b+ca)(c+ab)<0(a+b-c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b)<0

But we have also been given that all a,b,ca,b,c are positive real numbers. Therefore their product abcabc is always positive. Hence
(a+bc)(b+ca)(c+ab)abc (a+b-c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b)≤abc

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Also, you can get another solution by expanding. It becomes cyca3+3abcsyma2b\displaystyle \sum_{\text{cyc}} a^3 + 3abc \ge \displaystyle \sum_{\text{sym}} a^2b Which is now a direct application of Schur's inequality

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago

But wait, you're saying that at least one of d,e,fd,e,f being negative implies def<0def<0 but of course this is not true when 22 of them are negative.

mathh mathh - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Nice question @mathh mathh . We have to show that any two of (a+bc),(b+ca),(c+ab)(a+b-c),(b+c-a),(c+a-b) cannot be negative. First lets assume that 2 of them are negative. So, if two of them are negative, then their sum must also be negative. but we see that a+bc+b+ca=2aa+b-c+b+c-a=2a b+ca+c+ab=2cb+c-a+c+a-b=2c c+ab+a+bc=2bc+a-b+a+b-c=2b

But none of the above results is negative, since a,b,ca,b,c are positive real numbers. Hence, we can say that (a+bc)(b+ca)(c+ab)abc(a+b-c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b)≤abc

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago
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