Charge leakage in an infinite conducting medium

There exists two point charges of charges $\text{q } C$ and $\text{-q } C$ . They are surrounded by an infinite conducting medium whose resistivity is $\rho$ . If they are placed $d$ distance apart, find the time taken for the charges to become half their initial values. Report answer in terms of given parameters and known fundamental constants.

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@Karan Shekhawat @Mvs Saketh

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

EDIT-

the current is $\frac {q }{\rho \epsilon}$ and this equals $\frac {-dq}{dt}$

solving which yields time,

The method is to choose the symmetry plane of the charges,

and use E/p = j (current density), now proceed

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, the question was to find the time taken for the charges to become half their initial value. I got mixed up. The method is right. $J=\sigma E$

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

lets make the problem more interesting, find the magnetic field due to the currents on some point in the symmetry plane

(hint- its not complicated)

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – Won't the answer involve the distance between the charges also??

$B=\frac { \sigma { \mu }_{ 0 }q }{ 2\pi { \varepsilon }_{ 0 }r } \left[ 1-\frac { a }{ \sqrt { { a }^{ 2 }+{ r }^{ 2 } } } \right]$

where $a=d/2$ , $r$ is distance of point from the axis on the plane of symmetry.

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Raghav Vaidyanathan – no, it ,wont, as because i think, we are assuming the current is always everywhere established simultaneously and as for the length that will come from the effective resistance will get cancelled because of the 'r' that come from the field

Luckily

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – I dunno man, I used ampere's law and ohm's law to get the above equation...

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – Hey! I remember that you have posted exactly this type of problem some time ago.

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Krishna Sharma – yes i did, and i deleted as i accidentally uploaded with wrong answer and was too lazy to correct it

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

Sorry how did you got expression of current ... what element you are taking ..? How you are proceeding ? Yes I believe J=(sigma)E will definately use , what path should I choose ...

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago

The infinite symmetry plane of the charges has the field normally upon it, so find the electric field at a distance r from centre ,

use formula to find current density, then choose concentric rings, integrate over them till infinity to arrive at answer

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh

How did you calculate current? Did you integrate??

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

yes

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – Is it possible using any sort of symmetry/Gauss' law? Particularly, can we say that(for equal and opposite charges case) all field lines that begin at + charge must terminate at - charge?? I am doing Ronak's new problem right now.. It is very interesting.. I thought sun's rays are parallel when they hit the earth..

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Raghav Vaidyanathan – Well, yes, definitely we can say, all field lines initiate from here and end up there, I think you are actually trying to know how i how assumed that no current goes off to infinity

Well, For each field line that starts from positive charge and goes to infinity, there is a field line that does the reverse for the negative charge and carries absolutely the same current density at all points

So, we can simply connect them at infinity, to complete the circuit which is what i have done when integrating from 0 to infinity

Yes, its an amazing problem, and you are right, but remember that you can only approximate them as paralell when there is no first order deviation , that is why you will face trouble if you try to solve the uniform field case with a single charge,

Try using a more hoziontal situation(charge system) instead that has no vertical field uptill first order in any deviations (cause you are gonna integrate it later, and first order term will become finite)(i hope you got what i mean) THink over it, there are 3 methods so far i know to solve it, you will see the discussion in solutions

and yes, you can solve it using symmetry as well, and superposition, there is a popular iridov problem that is some what like that, the resistance grid one

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – Method of reflection is too damn difficult... I will try this problem later. As for the current discussion, I want to know whether we can apply Gauss' law to find out the flux through the central plane of symmetry. The expression looks so simple that It makes me wonder if it is possible. I have a method, but I think it becomes inconsistent when applied to cases when the charges are unequal in magnitude.

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Raghav Vaidyanathan – @Raghav Vaidyanathan -

The flux is $\frac {q}{\epsilon}$

Consider one charge, half of the flux passes through the plane

so flux contribution $\frac {q}{2\epsilon}$

and similarly for the other,

adding em both you get the result

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – How can we do this? How do we know that exactly half the field lines go to the plane? And why are we adding stuff?

Are we considering them as separate and then using superposition?? If so will this also be valid for charges with magnitude $2q,-q$ ?

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Raghav Vaidyanathan – the flux and field of one charge is unaffected by the presence of another charge, that is why

And yes, it will work for unequal charges as well, try it

But remember that if you are thinking of using flux to find current, then your answer wont match because now more of the current is escaping/coming from infinity, so upon the symmetry plane, there will be an additional component of current density that is vertically upward/downward since they no longer cancel out

Mvs Saketh - 6 years, 1 month ago

@Mvs Saketh – Yes, this is exactly what I wanted to know. I understand now. Thanks a lot!

Raghav Vaidyanathan - 6 years, 1 month ago

Thanks for Posting..... I'am trying

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago

Try this

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Remember to wrap math in `\(` ... `\)` or `\[` ... `\]` to ensure proper formatting.
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`2^{34}`	$2^{34}$
`a_{i-1}`	$a_{i-1}$
`\frac{2}{3}`	$\frac{2}{3}$
`\sqrt{2}`	$\sqrt{2}$
`\sum_{i=1}^3`	$\sum_{i=1}^3$
`\sin \theta`	$\sin \theta$
`\boxed{123}`	$\boxed{123}$