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Find the relation b/w v1 and v2 in terms of v1,v2, and theta

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Let LL be the length of the string and HH be the height difference between the pulleys.

Let xx be the length of the horizontal piece of string and yy be the length of the vertical piece of string.

The slanted piece of string has length Lxy=x2+H2L-x-y = \sqrt{x^2+H^2}. Thus, (Lxy)2=x2+H2(L-x-y)^2 = x^2+H^2.

Differentiation yields: 2(Lxy)(dxdtdydt)=2xdxdt2(L-x-y)\left(-\dfrac{dx}{dt}-\dfrac{dy}{dt}\right) = 2x \dfrac{dx}{dt}.

By definition, dxdt=v2\dfrac{dx}{dt} = -v_2 and dydt=v1\dfrac{dy}{dt} = v_1. Using trigonometry x=Htanθx = H\tan \theta and Lxy=HsecθL-x-y = H\sec \theta.

Therefore, 2Hsecθ(v2v1)=2Htanθ(v2)2H\sec\theta \cdot (v_2 - v_1) = 2H\tan\theta \cdot (-v_2). Solving yields v1=v2(1+sinθ)v_1 = v_2(1+\sin \theta).

Jimmy Kariznov - 7 years, 9 months ago

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Awesome Solution Dude...!!!

Ajitesh Mishra - 7 years, 9 months ago

Wow! Good job Jimmy!

Ivan Sekovanić - 7 years, 9 months ago

i think v1v_1=v2v_2cosθcos\theta Not pretty sure but still..i think..

Ritvik Choudhary - 7 years, 9 months ago

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no .. it isn't the right ans

Ajitesh Mishra - 7 years, 9 months ago

use the concept that length on the thread remains constant. :)

Advitiya Brijesh - 7 years, 9 months ago

Does θ\theta stay constant? My guess is no, but I can't tell for certain from the diagram.

Jimmy Kariznov - 7 years, 9 months ago

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Yes , θ \theta will definitely not remain the same . θ \theta would gradually decrease .

Priyansh Sangule - 7 years, 9 months ago

won't it also be in terms of the masses of the two objects? (determining their acceleration from the tension in the thread and gravity)

Jord W - 7 years, 9 months ago

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nope ..masses aren't needed..

Ajitesh Mishra - 7 years, 9 months ago

is the velocity v1 with respect to wedge or with respect to ground?

Rahul Nahata - 7 years, 9 months ago

v2(1+sinθ)=v1sinθv_2(1+\sin\theta)=v_1\sin\theta

Arnab Animesh Das - 7 years, 9 months ago

v1/(1+sinθ)=v2 I think so!!!

chetan Vibhandik - 7 years, 9 months ago

concept behind the problem is use of constraint motion

Deepankar Jangid - 7 years, 9 months ago

xdx=ldL sinθ=dL/dx sinθ+1=(dL+dx)/dx sinθ+1=V1/V2

akella ravitej - 7 years, 9 months ago

constraint relations

Goutam Narayan - 7 years, 9 months ago

Another way to derive the relation is by using the fact that work done by tension is zero (by newton's third law). We get \sumT.s=0 . Differentiating we get, \sumT.v=0

Sambit Senapati - 7 years, 9 months ago

using the virtual work method..-T(1+sin(thetha))x2 + Tx1=0. Differentiating this constraint equation we get the relation v2(1+sin(thetha))=v1. (x2 is wedge's displacement and x1 is the block's displacement)

siddharth shah - 7 years, 9 months ago

My guess... it's "v1 = v2 + v2*sin(theta)". Is that right?

Lokesh Sharma - 7 years, 9 months ago

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is it a guess or something else??

Ajitesh Mishra - 7 years, 9 months ago

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More than a guess. I have used logic but might be wrong.

Lokesh Sharma - 7 years, 9 months ago

by constrain relation,v2=v1tan theta

Nayan Pathak - 7 years, 9 months ago
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