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Another way to derive the relation is by using the fact that work done by tension is zero (by newton's third law). We get ∑T.s=0 . Differentiating we get, ∑T.v=0
using the virtual work method..-T(1+sin(thetha))x2 + Tx1=0. Differentiating this constraint equation we get the relation v2(1+sin(thetha))=v1. (x2 is wedge's displacement and x1 is the block's displacement)
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Let L be the length of the string and H be the height difference between the pulleys.
Let x be the length of the horizontal piece of string and y be the length of the vertical piece of string.
The slanted piece of string has length L−x−y=x2+H2. Thus, (L−x−y)2=x2+H2.
Differentiation yields: 2(L−x−y)(−dtdx−dtdy)=2xdtdx.
By definition, dtdx=−v2 and dtdy=v1. Using trigonometry x=Htanθ and L−x−y=Hsecθ.
Therefore, 2Hsecθ⋅(v2−v1)=2Htanθ⋅(−v2). Solving yields v1=v2(1+sinθ).
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Awesome Solution Dude...!!!
Wow! Good job Jimmy!
i think v1=v2cosθ Not pretty sure but still..i think..
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no .. it isn't the right ans
use the concept that length on the thread remains constant. :)
Does θ stay constant? My guess is no, but I can't tell for certain from the diagram.
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Yes , θ will definitely not remain the same . θ would gradually decrease .
won't it also be in terms of the masses of the two objects? (determining their acceleration from the tension in the thread and gravity)
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nope ..masses aren't needed..
is the velocity v1 with respect to wedge or with respect to ground?
v2(1+sinθ)=v1sinθ
v1/(1+sinθ)=v2 I think so!!!
concept behind the problem is use of constraint motion
xdx=ldL sinθ=dL/dx sinθ+1=(dL+dx)/dx sinθ+1=V1/V2
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Another way to derive the relation is by using the fact that work done by tension is zero (by newton's third law). We get ∑T.s=0 . Differentiating we get, ∑T.v=0
using the virtual work method..-T(1+sin(thetha))x2 + Tx1=0. Differentiating this constraint equation we get the relation v2(1+sin(thetha))=v1. (x2 is wedge's displacement and x1 is the block's displacement)
My guess... it's "v1 = v2 + v2*sin(theta)". Is that right?
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is it a guess or something else??
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More than a guess. I have used logic but might be wrong.
by constrain relation,v2=v1tan theta