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I think it can be shown that the number to be cubed needs to be in a form (9n+1)33.
Wolfram alpha shows just one solution.
For a proper proof you might need some number theory experts on Brilliant.
We can find n by successive substitution as follows(without thinking too much). Let 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15 + 3^n = t^3. t must be divisible by 3, so let t =3r, and substitute: 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15 + 3^n = (3r)^3 = 3^3*r^3. Dividing by 3^3, 3^6 + 3^9 + 3^12 +3^(n-3) = r^3. r must be divisible by 3, so let r = 3s, and substitute. Saving the reader a bit, s must be divisible by 3, so let s = 3u. We arrive at the following equation: 1 + 3^3 + 3^6 + 3^(n-9) = u^3.
u must be of the form u = 3x + 1. Cubing, u^3 = 27x^3 + 27x^2 + 9x + 1, so 1 + 3^3 + 3^6 + 3^(n-9) = 27x^3 + 27x^2 + 9x + 1. Letting x = 3, 1 + 27 +729 + 3^(n-9) = 729 + 243 +27 + 1, or 3^(n-9) = 243 , or n-9 =5, n = 14.
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39+312+315+3n=39(1+33+36+3n−9).
(a+b)3=a3+3a2b+3ab2+b3.
(3k+1)3=33k+32k+1+3k+1+1=1+33+36+3n−9
It works for k=2,n=14.
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Thank you very much. You literally releived me from an enthralling problem!
Nice factorization! Are there other values of n that would work?
I can show that n=3m would not work, but the other cases seem somewhat hairy.
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I think it can be shown that the number to be cubed needs to be in a form (9n+1)33. Wolfram alpha shows just one solution. For a proper proof you might need some number theory experts on Brilliant.
I'd start by thinking that that looks like a trinomial expansion. So let's take our cubed result and write it as 3^3 + a.
So we have 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15 + 3^n = (3^3 + a)^3
=> 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15+3^n = 3^9 + 3a3^6 + 3a^2 3^3 + a^3
=> 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15+3^n = 3^9 + a3^7 + a^2 3^4 + a^3
Which fits if a = 3^5, and n = 14.
You can show that those are the only values by considering the graphs (of y = (fixed point + 3^x) and y=x^3) - they will only cross at one point.
We can find n by successive substitution as follows(without thinking too much). Let 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15 + 3^n = t^3. t must be divisible by 3, so let t =3r, and substitute: 3^9 + 3^12 + 3^15 + 3^n = (3r)^3 = 3^3*r^3. Dividing by 3^3, 3^6 + 3^9 + 3^12 +3^(n-3) = r^3. r must be divisible by 3, so let r = 3s, and substitute. Saving the reader a bit, s must be divisible by 3, so let s = 3u. We arrive at the following equation: 1 + 3^3 + 3^6 + 3^(n-9) = u^3. u must be of the form u = 3x + 1. Cubing, u^3 = 27x^3 + 27x^2 + 9x + 1, so 1 + 3^3 + 3^6 + 3^(n-9) = 27x^3 + 27x^2 + 9x + 1. Letting x = 3, 1 + 27 +729 + 3^(n-9) = 729 + 243 +27 + 1, or 3^(n-9) = 243 , or n-9 =5, n = 14. Ed Gray
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How do you know that's all of the possible values? IE Why can't there be another x value that works?
Note: None of the other comments address this issue either.
3^9,3^12,3^15.....9+3=12+3=15+3=18...so,I hope the answer is 18....
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The answer is not 18. It is 14. The answer can't be found by assuming a geometric progression.
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yeap i understand