Prove (or disprove): If \(\lceil x\lfloor x\rfloor\rceil+\lfloor x\lceil x\rceil\rfloor=A\) has real solutions of \(x\) with positive range of \(\alpha\le x\le\beta\), then \(A=\alpha\lceil\ \sqrt{A/2}\ \rceil+\beta\lfloor\ \sqrt{A/2}\ \rfloor\).
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Is it true that if ⌈x⌊x⌋⌉+⌊x⌈x⌉⌋=A has real solutions of x with positive range of α≤x≤β, then A=α⌈2A⌉+β⌊2A⌋ must be true?
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There's no solution for x when A=129 so it doesn't satisfy the condition. Well technically, if A is in the form of 2B2 for some integer B, then α=β, so by squeeze theorem, x=α=β which doesn't contradict the statement. In other words, it's trivial to pointless to disprove this statement when x is an integer.
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Because 8<x<973 is the range for x when x=137, by applying the inequality, we can have α=8+ϵ,β=973−ϵ for an extremely small positive value ϵ. In other words α≳8,β≲973.
So my statement still holds.
If this is a cop out explanation, then you've successfully disproven my statement! (and I can't have that, haha!)
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Follow up (or modified) question: Is it true that if ⌈x⌊x⌋⌉+⌊x⌈x⌉⌋=A has real solutions of x with positive range in a closed interval [α,β] for α=β, then A=α⌈2A⌉+β⌊2A⌋ must be true?
That means to say that we can't take A=137 as an example because the range of solution of positive x is an open interval: (8,973).
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C++ code... Tested for a lot of numbers.. seems that it isn't always true... especially in the vicinity of numbers of form 2n2
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So you've found a counterexample? Can you show me which values of A shows that is not true?
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I think A=129 doesn't satisfy. And also, numbers like A=128 have α=β.
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x when A=129 so it doesn't satisfy the condition. Well technically, if A is in the form of 2B2 for some integer B, then α=β, so by squeeze theorem, x=α=β which doesn't contradict the statement. In other words, it's trivial to pointless to disprove this statement when x is an integer.
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2n2 and also numbers which don't yield a solution. Now try A=137...
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8<x<973 is the range for x when x=137, by applying the inequality, we can have α=8+ϵ,β=973−ϵ for an extremely small positive value ϵ. In other words α≳8,β≲973.
BecauseSo my statement still holds.
If this is a cop out explanation, then you've successfully disproven my statement! (and I can't have that, haha!)
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α,β are one thing, but you may notice that: 9α+8β=137. Counterexample.
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Okay this is disproven! Thank you for your cooperation. I knew this is too good to be true.
⌈x⌊x⌋⌉+⌊x⌈x⌉⌋=A has real solutions of x with positive range in a closed interval [α,β] for α=β, then A=α⌈ 2A ⌉+β⌊ 2A ⌋ must be true?
Follow up (or modified) question: Is it true that ifThat means to say that we can't take A=137 as an example because the range of solution of positive x is an open interval: (8,973).
@Pi Han Goh Sir , does the equality hold on the upper limit side?
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I don't understand your question at all. The claim clearly states that we have to first find α and β.