Solve the simultaneous equations: (a+b)3(a+b)2=32b(8b2+6b+3)+b(b3−3b2−5b−10)=−8(a + b)^3 (a + b)^2 = 32b(8b^2 + 6b + 3) + b(b^3 - 3b^2 - 5b - 10) = - 8(a+b)3(a+b)2=32b(8b2+6b+3)+b(b3−3b2−5b−10)=−8 a−b=2a - b = 2a−b=2
Give all answers in the form (a,b)(a, b)(a,b).
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New solution (hence the editing of the first equation):
Leave the =−8= - 8=−8 for later, we're focusing on the first two parts of the first equation and the second equation.
First, rearrange the second equation to obtain a=2+ba = 2 + ba=2+b.
Then, substitute into (a+b)3(a+b)2(a + b)^3(a + b)^2(a+b)3(a+b)2.
Simplify to (2b+2)5(2b + 2)^5(2b+2)5.
Expand and simplify to 32b(b4+5b3+10b2+10b+5+32b(b^4 + 5b^3 + 10b^2 + 10b + 5 +32b(b4+5b3+10b2+10b+5+1b)\frac{1}{b})b1).
Divide all sides of the equation by bbb.
Move the 32(8b2+6b+3)32(8b^2 + 6b + 3)32(8b2+6b+3) to the LHS of the equation.
Divide the LHS by 323232.
Group like terms and you should be left with b4+5b3+2b2+6b+8+b^4 + 5b^3 + 2b^2 + 6b + 8 +b4+5b3+2b2+6b+8+1b=\frac{1}{b} = b1= b3−3b2−5b−10b^3 - 3b^2 - 5b - 10b3−3b2−5b−10.
Move b3−3b2−5b−10b^3 - 3b^2 - 5b - 10b3−3b2−5b−10 to the LHS of the equation and group like terms - you should be left with b4+4b3+5b2+11b+18+1b=0b^4 + 4b^3 + 5b^2 + 11b + 18 + \frac{1}{b} = 0b4+4b3+5b2+11b+18+b1=0
Multiply by bbb, resulting in b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+1=0b^5 + 4b^4 + 5b^3 + 11b^2 + 18b + 1 = 0b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+1=0.
Set the equation equal to −8- 8−8 from the first simultaneous equation - you should obtain b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0b^5 + 4b^4 + 5b^3 + 11b^2 + 18b + 9 = 0b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0
Set the equation as f(b)f(b)f(b).
Perform factor theorem - you'll find out that f(−1)=0f(- 1) = 0f(−1)=0, therefore (b+1)(b + 1)(b+1) is a factor of b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0b^5 + 4b^4 + 5b^3 + 11b^2 + 18b + 9 = 0b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0
Perform the long polynomial division b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9b+1\frac{b^5 + 4b^4 + 5b^3 + 11b^2 + 18b + 9}{b + 1}b+1b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9
You should get b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9b^4 + 3b^3 + 2b^2 + 9b + 9b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9.
Set this equation as f(b)f(b)f(b).
Perform factor theorem - you'll find out that f(−1)=0f(- 1) = 0f(−1)=0 and f(−3)=0f(- 3) = 0f(−3)=0, therefore (b+1)(b + 1)(b+1) and (b+3)(b + 3)(b+3) are factors of b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9b^4 + 3b^3 + 2b^2 + 9b + 9b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9
Perform the long polynomial division of b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9(b+1)(b+3)\frac{b^4 + 3b^3 + 2b^2 + 9b + 9}{(b + 1)(b + 3)}(b+1)(b+3)b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9
You should get b2−b+3b^2 - b + 3b2−b+3.
Now, using the discriminant of b2−4acb^2 - 4acb2−4ac, we get −11- 11−11, indicating imaginary solutions and the fact that this cannot be factored further.
Therefore, the factors of b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9b^5 + 4b^4 + 5b^3 + 11b^2 + 18b + 9b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9 are (b+1)2(b+3)(b2−b+3)(b + 1)^2(b + 3)(b^2 - b + 3)(b+1)2(b+3)(b2−b+3)
Now, using Brahmagupta's quadratic formula and the discriminant, we solve b2−b+3=0b^2 - b + 3 = 0b2−b+3=0, leading to 1±−112\frac{1 \pm \sqrt{- 11}}{2}21±−11
This simplifies to 12±11i2\frac{1}{2} \pm \frac{11i}{2}21±211i
Therefore, the solutions for b=−1,−3b = - 1, - 3b=−1,−3 and 12±11i2\frac{1}{2} \pm \frac{11i}{2}21±211i.
Substitute all values into a−b=2a - b = 2a−b=2 and a=1,−3a = 1, - 3a=1,−3 and 52±11i2\frac{5}{2} \pm \frac{11i}{2}25±211i.
Therefore the solutions to the simultaneous equations:
(a+b)3(a+b)2=32b(8b2+6b+3)+b(b3−3b2−5b−10)=−8(a + b)^3 (a + b)^2 = 32b(8b^2 + 6b + 3) + b(b^3 - 3b^2 - 5b - 10) = - 8(a+b)3(a+b)2=32b(8b2+6b+3)+b(b3−3b2−5b−10)=−8
a−b=2a - b = 2a−b=2
are (in the form (a,b)(a, b)(a,b), as requested):
(1,−1)(1, - 1)(1,−1)
(−3,−3)(- 3, - 3)(−3,−3)
(52−11i2,12+11i2)(\frac{5}{2} - \frac{11i}{2}, \frac{1}{2} + \frac{11i}{2})(25−211i,21+211i)
(52+11i2,12−11i2)(\frac{5}{2} + \frac{11i}{2}, \frac{1}{2} - \frac{11i}{2})(25+211i,21−211i)
Note: Only 444 solutions are here to due to the repeated root of (b+1)2(b + 1)^2(b+1)2.
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a=b4+3b3+b2−b5−ba=\sqrt[5]{b^4+3b^3+b^2-b}-ba=5b4+3b3+b2−b−b
That's not a solution.
From eq 2,
a=b+2a = b+2a=b+2
Substituting in eq 1,
(b+b+2)3(b+b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b(b+b+2)^{3}(b+b+2)^{2}=b^{4}+ 3b^{3} + b^{2} - b(b+b+2)3(b+b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b
(2b+2)3(2b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b(2b+2)^{3}(2b+2)^{2}=b^{4}+ 3b^{3} + b^{2} - b(2b+2)3(2b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b
(2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b(2b+2)^{5}=b^{4}+ 3b^{3} + b^{2} - b(2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b
32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b32(b^{5} + 5b^{4} + 10b^{3} + 10b^{2} + 5b + 1 )=b^{4}+ 3b^{3} + b^{2} - b32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b
32b5+160b4+320b3+320b2+160b+32=b4+3b3+b2−b32b^{5} + 160b^{4} + 320b^{3} + 320b^{2} + 160b + 32=b^{4}+ 3b^{3} + b^{2} - b32b5+160b4+320b3+320b2+160b+32=b4+3b3+b2−b
32b5+159b4+317b3+319b2+161b+32=032b^{5} + 159b^{4} + 317b^{3} + 319b^{2} + 161b + 32 = 032b5+159b4+317b3+319b2+161b+32=0 (I don't know how to find roots of this mammoth...)
@Yajat Shamji - This next part took a long time to calculate, mostly because I brute-forced the roots of the 5th degree term after graphing it...
One solution is A = 1 and B = -1, and other real solutions can be found when graphed -
Real Solutions -
a=1,b=−1a = 1, b = -1a=1,b=−1 (got it easily using Remainder Theorem)
a=0.464537,b=−1.53546a = 0.464537, b = -1.53546a=0.464537,b=−1.53546
a=1.42518,b=−0.574825a = 1.42518, b = -0.574825a=1.42518,b=−0.574825
I don't get when you change (2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b(2b + 2)^5 = b^4 + 3b^3 + b^2 - b(2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b into 32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b32(b^5 + 5b^4 + 10b^3 + 10b^2 + 5b + 1) = b^4 + 3b^3 + b^2 - b32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b can you explain plz.
Sure.
(2b+2) = 2(b+1)
(2b+2)^5 = 2^5 x (b+1)^5 = 32 x (b+1)^5 = 32(b^5+5b^4+10b^3+10b^2+5b+1)
The last expansion is done by (b+1) x (b+1)x(b+1) x (b+1) x (b+1)
I found a few complex solutions too (where j=−1 j = \sqrt{-1} j=−1 ). I was also able to find the same real-valued solutions you did. This makes sense, since there should be five solutions for a quintic equation.
First complex solution:
a1≈1.0708+0.5192jb1≈−0.9292+0.5192j a_1 \approx 1.0708 + 0.5192 j \\ b_1 \approx -0.9292 + 0.5192 j a1≈1.0708+0.5192jb1≈−0.9292+0.5192j
Second complex solution:
a2≈1.0708−0.5192jb2≈−0.9292−0.5192j a_2 \approx 1.0708 - 0.5192 j \\ b_2 \approx -0.9292 - 0.5192 j a2≈1.0708−0.5192jb2≈−0.9292−0.5192j
Nice @Steven Chase! That's all five solutions of the quintic equation. @Yajat Shamji - Challenge complete!!!
Well, @Percy Jackson, @Steven Chase, you have completed the challenge, yes!
But keep it a secret for now - I want other people to solve it...
Also, I'll post my solution as well. It is done an entirely different way to yours.
And Percy, there was a simpler way than brute force (that's all I'm telling you.).
Update - I have changed equation 111 to compensate for my solution...
@Percy Jackson, @Steven Chase, @Half pass3, @Ravi Singh
You have until tomorrow to solve it... again!
bruh...
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Hello Yaj
Anything you'd love to say?
I posted a new solution and edited it - it just took me 666 months to figure it out...
@Yajat Shamji – wait aren't you the one who made the question?
@Half Pass3 – Yes, but can't I post my solution as well?
@Yajat Shamji – you can, but you said you took 6 months to figure out your own question.
@Half Pass3 – I did say that. But did anybody notice? No.
Plus, I was busy with my studies. So, not a lot of time to actually attempt to correct in these 666 months.
I only managed to correct and figure it out a few days ago.
So, technically, it took me 454545 minutes in 666 months...
Anyway, let's not keep arguing. Since you're here, what do you think of the solution? (since @Frisk Dreemurr won't answer.)
@Yajat Shamji – I'd say it's not for my level, it was very detailed indeed. ( I'm pretty dumb by the way)
@Half Pass3 – Ok. I get detailed a lot of the time.
@Yajat Shamji – Can you check on my new note, I really need some suggestions for my next part thx.
@Half Pass3 – Ok. Give me the link.
@Yajat Shamji – https://brilliant.org/discussions/thread/4th-dimension-non-euclidean-geometry-part-1/
@Half Pass3 – Not my area of specialty (my area of specialties are number theory, primes and algebra), but I'll try my best!
@Yajat Shamji – cool👍
@Half Pass3 – And as for you being dumb, use this website freely.
@Half Pass3 – It'll help immensely.
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New solution (hence the editing of the first equation):
Leave the =−8 for later, we're focusing on the first two parts of the first equation and the second equation.
First, rearrange the second equation to obtain a=2+b.
Then, substitute into (a+b)3(a+b)2.
Simplify to (2b+2)5.
Expand and simplify to 32b(b4+5b3+10b2+10b+5+b1).
Divide all sides of the equation by b.
Move the 32(8b2+6b+3) to the LHS of the equation.
Divide the LHS by 32.
Group like terms and you should be left with b4+5b3+2b2+6b+8+b1= b3−3b2−5b−10.
Move b3−3b2−5b−10 to the LHS of the equation and group like terms - you should be left with b4+4b3+5b2+11b+18+b1=0
Multiply by b, resulting in b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+1=0.
Set the equation equal to −8 from the first simultaneous equation - you should obtain b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0
Set the equation as f(b).
Perform factor theorem - you'll find out that f(−1)=0, therefore (b+1) is a factor of b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9=0
Perform the long polynomial division b+1b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9
You should get b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9.
Set this equation as f(b).
Perform factor theorem - you'll find out that f(−1)=0 and f(−3)=0, therefore (b+1) and (b+3) are factors of b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9
Perform the long polynomial division of (b+1)(b+3)b4+3b3+2b2+9b+9
You should get b2−b+3.
Now, using the discriminant of b2−4ac, we get −11, indicating imaginary solutions and the fact that this cannot be factored further.
Therefore, the factors of b5+4b4+5b3+11b2+18b+9 are (b+1)2(b+3)(b2−b+3)
Now, using Brahmagupta's quadratic formula and the discriminant, we solve b2−b+3=0, leading to 21±−11
This simplifies to 21±211i
Therefore, the solutions for b=−1,−3 and 21±211i.
Substitute all values into a−b=2 and a=1,−3 and 25±211i.
Therefore the solutions to the simultaneous equations:
(a+b)3(a+b)2=32b(8b2+6b+3)+b(b3−3b2−5b−10)=−8
a−b=2
are (in the form (a,b), as requested):
(1,−1)
(−3,−3)
(25−211i,21+211i)
(25+211i,21−211i)
Note: Only 4 solutions are here to due to the repeated root of (b+1)2.
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a=5b4+3b3+b2−b−b
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That's not a solution.
From eq 2,
a=b+2
Substituting in eq 1,
(b+b+2)3(b+b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b
(2b+2)3(2b+2)2=b4+3b3+b2−b
(2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b
32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b
32b5+160b4+320b3+320b2+160b+32=b4+3b3+b2−b
32b5+159b4+317b3+319b2+161b+32=0 (I don't know how to find roots of this mammoth...)
@Yajat Shamji - This next part took a long time to calculate, mostly because I brute-forced the roots of the 5th degree term after graphing it...
One solution is A = 1 and B = -1, and other real solutions can be found when graphed -
Real Solutions -
a=1,b=−1 (got it easily using Remainder Theorem)
a=0.464537,b=−1.53546
a=1.42518,b=−0.574825
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I don't get when you change (2b+2)5=b4+3b3+b2−b into 32(b5+5b4+10b3+10b2+5b+1)=b4+3b3+b2−b can you explain plz.
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Sure.
(2b+2) = 2(b+1)
(2b+2)^5 = 2^5 x (b+1)^5 = 32 x (b+1)^5 = 32(b^5+5b^4+10b^3+10b^2+5b+1)
The last expansion is done by (b+1) x (b+1)x(b+1) x (b+1) x (b+1)
I found a few complex solutions too (where j=−1 ). I was also able to find the same real-valued solutions you did. This makes sense, since there should be five solutions for a quintic equation.
First complex solution:
a1≈1.0708+0.5192jb1≈−0.9292+0.5192j
Second complex solution:
a2≈1.0708−0.5192jb2≈−0.9292−0.5192j
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Nice @Steven Chase! That's all five solutions of the quintic equation. @Yajat Shamji - Challenge complete!!!
Well, @Percy Jackson, @Steven Chase, you have completed the challenge, yes!
But keep it a secret for now - I want other people to solve it...
Also, I'll post my solution as well. It is done an entirely different way to yours.
And Percy, there was a simpler way than brute force (that's all I'm telling you.).
Update - I have changed equation 1 to compensate for my solution...
@Percy Jackson, @Steven Chase, @Half pass3, @Ravi Singh
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bruh...
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Hello Yaj
Anything you'd love to say?
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I posted a new solution and edited it - it just took me 6 months to figure it out...
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Plus, I was busy with my studies. So, not a lot of time to actually attempt to correct in these 6 months.
I only managed to correct and figure it out a few days ago.
So, technically, it took me 45 minutes in 6 months...
Anyway, let's not keep arguing. Since you're here, what do you think of the solution? (since @Frisk Dreemurr won't answer.)
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Second to top comment. What do you think?
Let me know soon!
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Asking cuz I can see that this post is approx. six months old...