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how can we prove that no line can be drawn within a triangle greater than the greatest side

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We have triangle ABCABC with largest side ABAB. We thus also know that ACB\angle ACB is the largest angle of triangle ABCABC.

Draw a linesegment in the triangle and call the endpoints XX and YY. If XX and/or YY are not on the perimeter of triangle ABCABC we can make a longer linesegment by extending XYXY until both points are.

If XYXY is parallel to ABAB then we have that ABCABC and XYCXYC are like triangles. Since XCAC|XC| \leq |AC|, we then also have XYAB|XY| \leq |AB|.

If XYXY is not parallel to ABAB, suppose that XX is the point closest to ABAB. Otherwise, mirror your image.

Draw a line parallel to ABAB through XX, intersecting triangle ABCABC in a second point ZZ.

We have that YXZCAB\angle YXZ \leq \angle CAB.

By construction, YZX=CBA \angle YZX = \angle CBA.

This gives the following:

XYZ=180YXZYZX180CABCBA=ACB\angle XYZ = 180 - \angle YXZ - \angle YZX \geq 180 - \angle CAB - \angle CBA = \angle ACB

So it follows that

XYZACBCABYXZ\angle XYZ \geq \angle ACB \geq \angle CAB \geq \angle YXZ and

XYZACBCBA=YZX\angle XYZ \geq \angle ACB \geq \angle CBA = \angle YZX.

So in triangle XYZXYZ side XZXZ is the longest.

Thus we have XYXZAB |XY| \leq |XZ| \leq |AB| (the last inequality follows from the third paragraph).

Ton de Moree - 7 years, 8 months ago

I'm not entirely sure but here is my guess:

Given any triangle with one distinct greatest side length AA and two shorter side lengths BB and CC. Draw a line DD from a corner that intersects side length BB or CC, say that we intersect length CC, the length is split into two lengths and call the length that is furthest from the greatest length EE. Now given a constant angle opposite from the greatest length AA. We will prove that length DD cannot under any circumstance be greater than length AA as we will assume that E>CE > C. In order to prove that D<AD < A, we will assume that D>AD > A in which we will contradict ourselves to prove that this is not possible.

Firstly using the cosine rule we can come up with:

A=B2+C22BCcos(θ)A=\sqrt{B^{2}+C^{2}-2BCcos(\theta)} and D=B2+E22BEcos(θ)D=\sqrt{B^{2}+E^{2}-2BEcos(\theta)}

As we are assuming A<DA < D

B2+C22BCcos(θ)<B2+E22BEcos(θ)\sqrt{B^{2}+C^{2}-2BCcos(\theta)} < \sqrt{B^{2}+E^{2}-2BEcos(\theta)}

Let 2Bcos(θ)2Bcos(\theta) be a constant kk and rearrange the equation:

B2+C2Ck<B2+E2EkB^{2}+C^{2}-Ck < B^{2}+E^{2}-Ek

C(Ck)<E(Ek)C(C-k) < E(E-k) where it is obvious that if we know C>EC > E, hence C(Ck)<E(Ek)C(C-k) \neq < E(E-k) therefore we contradict ourselves and hence A>DA > D. (proved)

I hope this helped.

Joel Jablonski - 7 years, 8 months ago

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I'm thinking that another possible way could be:

Similar information as above, but let the lengths be vectors, and hence let CC be broken into two vectors where C=E+FC=E+F, the vector DD intersects BA\angle BA and vector CC. Now assuming that all vectors are >0> 0. We will use the method of contradiction to prove that D<AD < A by assuming that D>AD > A:

D=B+ED=B+E

A=B+E+FA=B+E+F

B+E>B+E+FB+E > B+E+F

Hence this is a contradiction as F>0F > 0

A>D\therefore A > D hence the straight line DD inside the triangle cannot under any circumstance be longer than the greatest side length AA.

Joel Jablonski - 7 years, 8 months ago

The simple observation that for drawing the line inside a triangle which could be greater than the greatest side must be parallel to the greatest side and hence triangle being a closed figure the required line will not be greater than the largest side. a simple but effective one .. !! :)

Ramesh Goenka - 7 years, 8 months ago
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