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00 is what's known as indeterminate form. This may seem confusing at the start, but it makes more sense once you try to use slopes of lines.
Consider a line that contains two points, namely (x1,y1) and (x2,y2). The slope of the function is x2−x1y2−y1. Now, it doesn't matter which two points we choose: as long as they are on the same line, we should get the same slope, right? Well, that gives us an idea: what if those two points are the same? Then, our slope would be x1−x1y1−y1=00. We expected to get the same slope, but we got 00. This is because there are infinite number of lines that pass through a specific point. We don't know which line we are talking about, or in other words, we can't determine which line we are talking about, hence the name indeterminate form.
This example shows that 00 is not undefined. If it was undefined, we would be sure that our line is vertical. At the same time, it shows that 00 is not zero. Otherwise, we would be sure that our line is horizontal. 00 just means that we don't know enough or have enough information to know specifically what it is; it could be anything. Thus, we call it indeterminate form.
There are other examples of indeterminate forms: 00, ∞∞, 0×∞, and more. It's a very interesting subject. You'll learn more about indeterminate forms when you learn about limits in precalculus.
@Juice Guy : Here is a good resource on indeterminate forms: https://brilliant.org/wiki/indeterminate-forms/. If you are still confused, don't worry. You don't need to completely understand it to to see why it's important. Just make sure that whenever you do any arithmetic and algebra, don't divide by zero. And if you are using limits (like in calculus or precalculus), you need to simplify to get out of indeterminate form.
Suppose we naively assume that 00 has some defined value; call it a. We then run into a problem, since zero multiplied by anything is zero.
00=a=c0b0=cba
For b=c, the statement above is inconsistent. So you have to choose some property of zero to throw away. We cant throw away the property that zero multiplied by a number is zero (it is too useful), so we have to throw away the "zero over zero" property instead.
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00 is what's known as indeterminate form. This may seem confusing at the start, but it makes more sense once you try to use slopes of lines.
Consider a line that contains two points, namely (x1,y1) and (x2,y2). The slope of the function is x2−x1y2−y1. Now, it doesn't matter which two points we choose: as long as they are on the same line, we should get the same slope, right? Well, that gives us an idea: what if those two points are the same? Then, our slope would be x1−x1y1−y1=00. We expected to get the same slope, but we got 00. This is because there are infinite number of lines that pass through a specific point. We don't know which line we are talking about, or in other words, we can't determine which line we are talking about, hence the name indeterminate form.
This example shows that 00 is not undefined. If it was undefined, we would be sure that our line is vertical. At the same time, it shows that 00 is not zero. Otherwise, we would be sure that our line is horizontal. 00 just means that we don't know enough or have enough information to know specifically what it is; it could be anything. Thus, we call it indeterminate form.
There are other examples of indeterminate forms: 00, ∞∞, 0×∞, and more. It's a very interesting subject. You'll learn more about indeterminate forms when you learn about limits in precalculus.
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@Juice Guy : Here is a good resource on indeterminate forms: https://brilliant.org/wiki/indeterminate-forms/. If you are still confused, don't worry. You don't need to completely understand it to to see why it's important. Just make sure that whenever you do any arithmetic and algebra, don't divide by zero. And if you are using limits (like in calculus or precalculus), you need to simplify to get out of indeterminate form.
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Suppose we naively assume that 00 has some defined value; call it a. We then run into a problem, since zero multiplied by anything is zero.
00=a=c0b0=cba
For b=c, the statement above is inconsistent. So you have to choose some property of zero to throw away. We cant throw away the property that zero multiplied by a number is zero (it is too useful), so we have to throw away the "zero over zero" property instead.
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That is so cool!