Whats up with the Bravais Lattices?

Hello everyone.

We're doing 'The Solid State' in our school where I first went through the concept of Unit Cells Lattices. Can someone help me through with -

1) Why are there only 14 such lattices?

2) How can one give a rigorous proof about the non existence of unit cells of 'End-centered cubic lattice' and 'face centered tetragonal lattice'.

Thank you!

#Chemistry #PSQuest #BravaisLattice

Note by Priyansh Sangule
5 years, 11 months ago

No vote yet
1 vote

  Easy Math Editor

This discussion board is a place to discuss our Daily Challenges and the math and science related to those challenges. Explanations are more than just a solution — they should explain the steps and thinking strategies that you used to obtain the solution. Comments should further the discussion of math and science.

When posting on Brilliant:

  • Use the emojis to react to an explanation, whether you're congratulating a job well done , or just really confused .
  • Ask specific questions about the challenge or the steps in somebody's explanation. Well-posed questions can add a lot to the discussion, but posting "I don't understand!" doesn't help anyone.
  • Try to contribute something new to the discussion, whether it is an extension, generalization or other idea related to the challenge.
  • Stay on topic — we're all here to learn more about math and science, not to hear about your favorite get-rich-quick scheme or current world events.

MarkdownAppears as
*italics* or _italics_ italics
**bold** or __bold__ bold

- bulleted
- list

  • bulleted
  • list

1. numbered
2. list

  1. numbered
  2. list
Note: you must add a full line of space before and after lists for them to show up correctly
paragraph 1

paragraph 2

paragraph 1

paragraph 2

[example link](https://brilliant.org)example link
> This is a quote
This is a quote
    # I indented these lines
    # 4 spaces, and now they show
    # up as a code block.

    print "hello world"
# I indented these lines
# 4 spaces, and now they show
# up as a code block.

print "hello world"
MathAppears as
Remember to wrap math in \( ... \) or \[ ... \] to ensure proper formatting.
2 \times 3 2×3 2 \times 3
2^{34} 234 2^{34}
a_{i-1} ai1 a_{i-1}
\frac{2}{3} 23 \frac{2}{3}
\sqrt{2} 2 \sqrt{2}
\sum_{i=1}^3 i=13 \sum_{i=1}^3
\sin \theta sinθ \sin \theta
\boxed{123} 123 \boxed{123}

Comments

2) Even if you put particles on edge centers, it will again form same type of but smaller simple cubic unit cells. And same is the case of face centered tetragonal lattice.

Kushal Patankar - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Indeed. This is what my teacher explained me. BTW what about the other cases? Do all of them have the same reasoning?

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

May be they exist but , their properties may be similar to one of those 14. And this can be reason for having only 14 bravais lattice.

Kushal Patankar - 5 years, 11 months ago

1 is a bit difficult to show.

For 2, the main idea is that if you did place lattice points at those places, you'd get smaller unit cells as repeating patterns.

I came to know about this from the coursera course on "Symmetry: Beauty, Form and Function"

To begin with, I suggest you look up the Wallpaper Symmetry Groups first.

(by the way, I do not have the full answer to your question)

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Hey, thanks for your views bro! :D

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 11 months ago

The answer to the first could be that only 14 bravais lattice are seen practically yet.

Naman Kapoor - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Nope, they are mathematical structures - not empirically derived structures in chemistry.

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

You both are somewhat right. They do are mathematical structures but we exclude the ones which are practically not possible.

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

@Priyansh Sangule Which ones are they?

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Like, Edge Centric and other cases...

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

@Priyansh Sangule As far as my understanding goes, there are no edge centric bravais lattices because inserting lattice points at the midpoint of every edge it instead transform into another kind of Bravais Lattice

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Your understanding is, well, alright as always! ¨\ddot\smile

Pranjal Jain - 5 years, 11 months ago

@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Yes. I think this is more appropriate. Thanks!

Priyansh Sangule - 5 years, 11 months ago

See, both of the things you have asked are based on observations so there is actually no answer. The reason agnishom gave is what I don't know.

Vishal Ch - 5 years, 11 months ago
×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...