10-seconds challenge-8

Calculus Level 4

Let f : R R f: \mathbb R \rightarrow \mathbb R be a continuous function : :

f ( x ) = 0 x f ( t ) d t . f(x)=\int_{0}^x f(t) \, dt.

Find f ( ln 5 ) f(\ln5) .


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Rishabh Jain
Mar 8, 2016

Differentiating both sides:- f ( x ) = f ( x ) f'(x)=f(x) Multiplying by e x e^{-x} on both sides:- e x f ( x ) e x f ( x ) = 0 e^{-x}f'(x)-e^{-x}f(x)=0 d d x ( e x f ( x ) ) = 0 \dfrac{d}{dx}(e^{-x}f(x))=0 e x f ( x ) = C \implies e^{-x}f(x)=C For some real constant C C . f ( x ) = C e x ( 1 ) \implies f(x)=Ce^x\cdots (1) Putting x = 0 x=0 in the given condition (i.e f ( x ) = 0 x f ( t ) d t f(x)=\int_{0}^x f(t) \, dt ), we get f ( 0 ) = 0 ( 2 ) f(0)=0\cdots (2) . From 1 1 and 2 2 :- f ( x ) = 0 x R f(x)=0~\forall ~x\in\mathfrak R Hence, f ( ln 5 ) = 0 f(\ln 5)=\boxed 0

Yes, exactly! You got it! (+1)

I would omit the passage "Now since we know (1) represents an exponential equation which is always greater than 0"; it's not correct and not needed for your argument: f ( x ) = C e x f(x)=Ce^x together with f ( 0 ) = 0 f(0)=0 does the job.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Thanks for helping.. Yet again ;-)

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Now it's perfect!

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

This solution is incorrect. From f ( x ) = f ( x ) f'(x)=f(x) you cannot infer that f ( x ) = e x + C f(x)=e^{x+C} .

We could write f ( x ) = C e x f(x)=Ce^x ... but do we need to justify why that works?

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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No... f ( x ) f ( x ) = 1 \dfrac{f'(x)}{f(x)}=1 Integrating both sides ln ( f ( x ) ) = x + C \ln(f(x))=x+C f ( x ) = e x + C \implies f(x)=e^{x+C} Isn't it correct?? Edit:- Its the same thing you have let e C e^C as another constant!!

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 3 months ago

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There is a flaw in each step: You are dividing by 0 and then you are taking the ln \ln of 0.

The proper way to do this kind of problem is by Integrating Factors

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher Thanks.. I'll delete my solution..:-)

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Rishabh Jain Write a better one! You can do it!

Otto Bretscher - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Otto Bretscher Now is it correct?

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 3 months ago

Put x = 0 x = 0 , clearly we get f ( 0 ) = 0 f(0) = 0

Now differentiate on both sides, we get

f ( x ) = f ( x ) f'(x) = f(x)

Now, f ( x ) f ( x ) = 1 \dfrac {f'(x) }{f(x)} = 1

Now, integrate f ( x ) f ( x ) d x = 1 d x \displaystyle \int \dfrac {f'(x) }{f(x)} dx = \displaystyle \int 1 dx

ln ( f ( x ) ) = x + C \Rightarrow \ln (f(x)) = x + C

Where C C is the constant of integration

We get, f ( x ) = e x + C f ( 0 ) = e 0 + C e C = 0 f(x) = e^{x+C} \Rightarrow f(0) = e^{0+C}\Rightarrow e^C = 0

Therefore, f ( x ) = e x e C = e x ( 0 ) = 0 f(x) = e^x e^C = e^x(0) = 0

Hence, f ( ln 5 ) = 0 f(\ln 5) = \boxed{0}

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