1111 = 111?

Do there exist number bases a a and b b such that 11 1 a = 111 1 b ? 111_a = 1111_b\ \ ?

Yes, there are infinitely many of such pairs ( a , b ) (a,b) . No Yes, there is precisely one such pair ( a , b ) (a,b) . Yes, there are a finite number of such pairs ( a , b ) (a,b) .

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Arjen Vreugdenhil
Sep 21, 2017

If there were such a pair ( a , b ) (a,b) , it would satisfy the equation a 2 + a + 1 = b 3 + b 2 + b + 1. a^2 + a + 1 = b^3 + b^2 + b + 1. Subtracting one and factoring gives ( a + 1 ) a = ( b 2 + b + 1 ) b . (a+1)a = (b^2 + b + 1)b. Let d d be the greatest common divisor of a a and b b ; write a = a d a = a'd and b = b d b = b'd . Then ( d a + 1 ) a = ( e b + 1 ) b with e = d ( b 2 + b ) . (da'+1)a' = (eb' + 1)b'\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \text{with}\ \ \ \ e = d(b^2 + b). Since d a + 1 da'+1 is one more than a multiple of a a' , they are coprime; the same holds true for e b + 1 e'b+1 and b b' . Moreover, a a' and b b' are coprime. But then this equation can only be satisfied if d a + 1 = b , a = e b + 1. da'+1 = b',\ \ \ a' = eb' + 1. This would imply that a > b a' > b' and b > a b' > a' , which is impossible.

I find it easier to just show that the cubic discriminant of the polynomial (in b b ) is always negative.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Perhaps you should post a solution? I, for one, am interested to see it.

For every value of b 2 b \geq 2 there exists a positive real number a = 4 ( b 3 + b 2 + b ) + 1 1 2 a = \frac{\sqrt{4(b^3 + b^2 + b) + 1} - 1}2 such that a 2 + a + 1 = b 3 + b 2 + b + 1 a^2 + a + 1 = b^3 + b^2 + b + 1 ; the only problem is that it never is an integer.

Conversely, given a 2 a \geq 2 , define q = a 2 + a + 7 27 q = a^2 + a + \frac7{27} , D = q 2 + 32 729 D = q^2 + \frac{32}{729} , and b = q 2 + 1 2 D 3 + q 2 1 2 D 3 1 3 , b = \sqrt[3]{\frac q2 + \frac12\sqrt D} + \sqrt[3]{\frac q2 - \frac12\sqrt D} - \frac 13, we have again a positive solution for the equation, but it is never an integer.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Posted.

Ah Cardano's . I'm not a huge fan of it, but I appreciate this approach.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh I only use it to try and convince you that the equation always has at least one real solution, contrary to what you claim.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

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@Arjen Vreugdenhil Whoops, I didn't realize my error until you literally spelled it out for me.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 8 months ago
Pi Han Goh
Sep 23, 2017

Disclaimer: As pointed out by Arjen, my Method 1 is completely wrong! But my method 2 still works! Yayyyy!!


Method 1:

The equation in question is equivalent to a 2 + a + 1 = b 3 + b 2 + b + 1 b 3 + b 2 + b + ( a 2 a ) = 0 a^2 + a + 1 = b^3 + b^2 + b + 1 \Leftrightarrow b^3 + b^2 + b + (-a^2 - a) = 0 .

Suppose there exist number bases a a and b b , then the cubic equation above (in b b ) must have a non-negative discriminant . That is

1 4 4 ( a 2 a ) 27 ( a 2 a ) 2 + 18 ( a 2 a ) 0. 1 - 4 - 4 (-a^2 - a) - 27(-a^2 - a)^2 + 18(-a^2 - a) \geq 0 .

Simplifying this inequality gives 27 a 4 + 54 a 3 + 41 a 2 + 14 a + 3 0 27 a^4 + 54 a^3 + 41 a^2 + 14 a + 3 \leq 0 . But since every single term in LHS is a positive number, the inequality cannot be fulfilled. A contradiction!


Method 2:

The equation in question is equivalent to a 2 + a + 1 = b 3 + b 2 + b + 1 a 2 + a + ( b 3 b 2 b ) = 0 a^2 + a + 1 = b^3 + b^2 + b + 1 \Leftrightarrow a^2 + a + (-b^3 - b^2 - b) = 0 .

Suppose there exist number bases a a and b b , then the discriminant above (in a a ) must be a perfect square. That is, for some integer c c ,

1 2 4 ( b 3 b 2 b ) = c 2 1 c 2 = 4 ( b 3 b 2 b ) . 1^2 - 4(-b^3 - b^2 - b) = c^2 \quad \Leftrightarrow\quad 1-c^2 = 4(-b^3 - b^2 - b).

If c c is even, then LHS is odd and RHS is even, which is absurd. Thus c c must be odd. Let c = 2 d + 1 c = 2d+1 for some integer d d , then the equation simplifies to

1 ( 2 d + 1 ) 2 = 4 ( b 3 b 2 b ) b 3 + b 2 + b + 1 = d 2 + d + 1 , 1 - (2d + 1)^2 = 4(-b^3 - b^2 - b) \quad \Leftrightarrow\quad b^3 + b^2 + b + 1 = d^2 + d + 1 ,

which is where we started with (just replacing a a with d d ). So, there's no solution by infinite descent .

Solution 1 won't work: A cubic equation has { one real solution if D < 0 three real solutions if D > 0 \begin{cases} \text{one real solution} & \text{if}\ D < 0 \\ \text{three real solutions} & \text{if}\ D > 0 \end{cases}

(Proof that there is always one real solution: let f ( x ) = a x 3 + O ( x 2 ) f(x) = ax^3 + O(x^2) with a > 0 a > 0 . Then there exist x < x + x_- < x_+ such that f ( x ) < 0 f(x_-) < 0 and f ( x + ) > 0 f(x_+) > 0 . Since f f is continuous on [ x , x + ] [x_-,x_+] , the middle-value theorem says there exists x < x 0 < x + x_- < x_0 < x_+ such that f ( x 0 ) = 0 f(x_0) = 0 . The argument for a < 0 a < 0 is similar.)

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Ah, sorry. For some reason, I was thinking of it from a "quadratic discriminant's point of view".

I won't remove "Method 1", but I'll leave a disclaimer for others to read.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 8 months ago

Solution 2: Nice use of infinite descent!

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Yay! Luckily I got a backup approach!

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 8 months ago

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