a 2 + 9 1 + b 2 + 9 1 + c 2 + 9 1
Given that a , b and c are positive reals with a sum of 1. If the maximum value of the above expression can be expressed as y x where x and y are coprime integers, find the value of x + y .
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Sir, I've a doubt. I've solved many inequalities on brilliant using symmetry. Y does it work all the time? In this question I took symmetry for a,b,c. I got the idea for symmetry by inspiring from calculus. E.g. for a given perimeter of a triangle, the minimum area is that of an equilateral triangle. That's y I use a=b=c in inequalities. Is there a theoretical proof for this?
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The extrema are often attained when the variables are equal, but not always. You can't count on it, and you still have to examine each case separately. I will post a simple problem to illustrate this point.
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Sir, is this not correct?
By AM-GM
a 2 + 9 ≥ 6 a
So, a 2 + 9 1 ≤ 6 a 1 .
Similarly, b 2 + 9 1 ≤ 6 b 1 and
c 2 + 9 1 ≤ 6 c 1 .
Adding them yields
a 2 + 9 1 + b 2 + 9 1 + c 2 + 9 1 ≤ 6 a 1 + 6 b 1 + 6 c 1
The R.H.S is equivalent to
6 1 ( a 1 + b 1 + c 1 )
And by AM-HM
3 a + b + c ≥ a 1 + b 1 + c 1 3 .
i.e, a 1 + b 1 + c 1 ≤ a + b + c 9 = 9
Hence, the expression given in the question is less than or equal to 6 9 or 2 3 .
Hence x + y = 3 + 2 = 5 .
I know that 5 is not the answer , but sir please tell me where am i wrong?
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@Priyanshu Mishra – It should be a 1 + b 1 + c 1 ≥ 9 not ≤ .
@Priyanshu Mishra – Svatejas points out one mistake in your work. Also, showing that 2 3 is an upper bound does not show that it is the maximum... the value is not attained.
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@Otto Bretscher – OK. So, there do not exist AM-GM method to solve this problem?
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@Priyanshu Mishra – I'm no expert and no fan of "AM-GM"... I don't think I have ever used the technique in my life. As you know, AM-GM is a special case of Jensen's inequality anyway.
@Priyanshu Mishra – It s absolutely right as I see here. The am hm method is fine and 5 is a suitable answer
Sir, in those kind of problems, I take x=y=0 z=1. That has also worked. I feel all these relations can be proved using calculus.
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@Aditya Kumar – With this simple example, I just wanted to show you that the solution isn't always a = b = c when the equations are symmetric.
Sure, you can solve these problems with calculus... Lagrange multipliers are a powerful tool.
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@Otto Bretscher – how and when to use lagrange multiplier please explain in detail and what are its conditions
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@Akshay Sharma – You want the partial derivatives of the objective function f to be proportional to the partial derivatives of the constraint g = 0 , meaning that f a = λ g a , f b = λ g b , f c = λ g c for some λ . In this case we have g a = g b = g c = 1 , so that the partial derivatives of f are required to be equal.
This is because of equality condition in AM>=GM
Can u solve it by am>=hm and am of mth power >=mth power of am? I am having a bit problem.
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Maybe you can... I'm not very fond of these AM-GM-HM type of inequalities. They seem too limited in scope, and their application almost always seems forced and contrived.
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Which According to you are best inequalities?
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@Kushagra Sahni – In 40 years of experience in math (as a student, teacher, author, and researcher), I have never used an AM-GM-HM type of inequality, and I have never seen a mathematician use those (in seminar talks and such). The most widely used inequality is Cauchy-Schwarz, with Hoelder and Jensen being used occasionally.
Mathematicians usually use Lagrange multipliers or other calculus techniques to solve constraint optimization problems.
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@Otto Bretscher – Yeah I also love Cauchy-Schwarz.
In reponse to Otto Brestscher-Sir I want to know more about inequalities in calculus...can you suggest me some references or papers..I am a beginner in calculus and I am loving this subject..a direction is needed..hope u can help
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I think the most important technique in constrained optimization is Lagrange multipliers... there is a good lecture online from MIT . Mathematicians rarely use inequalities in this context... if so, mostly Cauchy-Schwarz and perhaps Jensen's.
@Otto Bretscher u have only shown that the maximum value the given expression can obtain when 0 ≤ a , b , c ≤ 3 is 8 2 2 7 . Do you have a proof that an yet bigger value cannot be achieved for 3 ≤ a , b , c ≤ 1 ?
Its direct application of Titu's Lemma.
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I don't think so....show us!
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it would be (1 + 1 + 1)^3 / (a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + 27)
now the value of a^2 + b^2 + c^2 can be easily get by QM AM.
Putting values we got it!!
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@Dev Sharma – Forgive me for being a bit slow, but I don't see where this is going, at all. You promised us a direct application of Titu's lemma ;) Can you spell it out for us?
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@Otto Bretscher – yes, my first step is by Titu's Lemma, which is a generalization of Cauchy Scharwz
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@Dev Sharma – But how does that help with our problem? I think it doesn't... (by the way, Titu's lemma is not a generalization of Cauchy Schwarz, but a very very special case)
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@Otto Bretscher – The problem asks to find max?
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@Dev Sharma – so show us how you find that max.
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The function f ( x ) = x 2 + 9 1 is concave (also called "concave down") for ∣ x ∣ ≤ 3 since f ′ ′ ( x ) = ( x 2 + 9 ) 3 6 ( x 2 − 3 ) . Thus, by Jensen's Inequality , f ( a ) + f ( b ) + f ( c ) ≤ 3 f ( 3 a + b + c ) = 3 f ( 3 1 ) = 8 2 2 7 , and x + y = 1 0 9 . Equality holds when a = b = c = 3 1 .