250 followers problem!

A B C × 8 A C C C \Large \begin{array} {c c c } & \color{#3D99F6}A & \color{#D61F06}B & \color{#EC7300}C \\ \times& & & 8 \\ \hline \color{#3D99F6}A & \color{#EC7300}C & \color{#EC7300}C & \color{#EC7300}C \\ \end{array}

In the cryptogram above, A A , B B , and C C are distinct digits. Find the value of A + B + C + 8. A+B+C+8.


The answer is 15.

This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and, finally, (c) loading the non-javascript version of this page . We're sorry about the hassle.

8 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
Jun 8, 2015

Lets crack this using simple congruence:

Lets examine the unit's place to get:

C × D C ( m o d 10 ) 8 C C ( m o d 10 ) 7 C 0 ( m o d 10 ) C \times D \equiv C \pmod{10} \\ \Rightarrow 8C\equiv C \pmod{10} \\ \Rightarrow 7C\equiv 0 \pmod{10}

This is only possible when C = 0 \boxed{C=0} .

Since there is no carry over on B B , lets examine the ten's place to get:

B × D C ( m o d 10 ) 8 B 0 ( m o d 10 ) B \times D \equiv C \pmod{10} \\ \Rightarrow 8B\equiv 0 \pmod{10}

This is possible when B = ( 0 , 5 ) B=(0,5) .

But when B = 0 B=0 then A 00 × D = A 000 \overline{A00} \times D = \overline{A000} which means D = 10 D=10 which is a contradiction.

Hence , B = 5 \boxed{B=5} .So B × D = 5 × 8 = 40 B \times D= 5 \times 8= 40 which means there is a carry over of 4 4 on A A .

Now lets examine the hundred's place where we can form an equation:

A × D + 4 = A C A × 8 + 4 = 10 A + C 8 A + 4 = 10 A 2 A = 4 A = 2 A\times D + 4=\overline{AC} \\ \Rightarrow A\times 8 + 4=10A+C \\ \Rightarrow 8A + 4 =10A \\ \Rightarrow 2A=4 \\ \Rightarrow \boxed{A=2}

So we have A + B + C + D = 2 + 5 + 0 + 8 = 15 A+B+C+D=2+5+0+8=\boxed{15} .

Once you know that C = 0 C = 0 , a much easier approach is to run through A 000 8 \frac{ \overline{A000}}{8} to conclude that A = 2 A = 2 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years ago

Log in to reply

125 x 8 = 1000. So 1+ 2+ 5 + 8 = 16 . This is also valid !!

Luis Rivera - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

What is C? Is C 5? Is C 0?

(Edited 8 into 5)

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Calvin Lin Lin: 125 x 8 = 1000. So 1+ 2+ 5 + 8 = 16 . This is also valid !! C = 0 !

Luis Rivera - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Luis Rivera Unfortunately 125x8 will not work because given A=1, B=2 and C=5 then ACCC=1555; but you have correctly identified that A=1 and C=0 and since other Number Bases are in General Use, (Binary, Hexadecimal and Sexagesimal etc.) then A=1, B=6 and C=0 with Base 12 ≡ 1000 = ACCC.

Log in to reply

@Sarah Louise Jennings You said : """ Unfortunately 125x8 will not work because given A=1, B=2 and C=5 then ACCC=1555; """/// Huh !!. Remember its being multiplied by 8, so they end in 0, not 5 !! You guys might as well accept it​. Either I demonstrated that the problem does not have a unique solution​, or I demonstrated that the problem is flawed !!

Luis Rivera - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Luis Rivera @Luis Rivera Sorry for my typo, I hit 8 instead of 5. You have missed the point that Sarah and I are trying to make. The question asks for

A B C × 8 = A C C C ABC \times 8 = ACCC

If you substitute in A = 1 , B = 2 , C = 5 A = 1, B=2, C = 5 , then the equation becomes

125 × 8 = 1555 125 \times 8 = 1555

which is not a true statement.

If you substitute in A = 1 , B = 2 , C = 0 A = 1, B = 2, C = 0 , then the equation becomes

120 × 8 = 1000 120 \times 8 = 1000

which is not a true statement.

I agree that

125 × 8 = 1000 125 \times 8 = 1000

but that doesn't satisfy the conditions.

IE You cannot let C sometimes be 0 and sometimes be 5.

As such, you have not demonstrated that the problem is flawed.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Calvin Lin Can't you see that you are proposing 250. I am proposing 125. Which is exactly half. ​ Problems are solved by simplifying to lowest terms Face it, your problem was ill thought out. I have seen you create very good problems. This was not one of them !!

Luis Rivera - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Luis Rivera Luis, you are still missing the point.

What happens to A C C C ACCC when you replace A = 1 , B = 2 , C = 5 A = 1, B = 2, C = 5 ? Do you obtain 1000 1000 or 1555 1555 ?


Note that I did not create this problem. I think it's a good problem (and that it's correct as phrased).

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

Log in to reply

@Calvin Lin what an epic 4 years old debate LOL

Oximas omar - 1 month, 3 weeks ago

@Luis Rivera This is invalid... In my opinion.

Samuel Phiri - 5 years ago

About B, it also could not be zero, since it explicitly says they are distinct digits and C=0.

Eduardo Amâncio - 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree with you, this is the Answer that Satisfies the Conditions of the Problem.

250 followers... all that was needed was some trial and error to see if my intuition was correct.

Feathery Studio - 5 years, 11 months ago

How do you know that the Number Base is 10, it could equally be Binary!

Sarah Louise Jennings - 5 years, 1 month ago

Log in to reply

In order for A, B, and C to be unique digits, it would have to be at least base 3; the number 8 couldn't exist in the problem unless it's at least base 9.

I think it's reasonable to assume base 10 unless told otherwise, but I like your impulse.

Brian Egedy - 5 years ago

Why could C not equal 1? A=3; B=6; C=1 also satisfies the cryptogram. As does A=7; B=5; C=0.

Dinna C - 1 year, 9 months ago

Log in to reply

361 × 8 3111 , 750 × 8 7000 361 \times 8 \neq 3111, 750 \times 8 \neq 7000 .

Your solutions do not satisfy the equation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 1 year, 9 months ago
Sravanth C.
Jun 8, 2015

According to the question, the last digit of 8 C 8C is C C . If this is true, C C must be equal to 0 0 ,

  • So we have concluded that C = 0 \boxed{C=0} .

  • Now, the problem becomes: A B 0 × 8 A 0 0 0 \huge \begin{array} {c c c } & \color{#3D99F6}A & \color{#D61F06}B & \color{#EC7300}0 \\ & & \times & \color{#20A900}8 \\ \hline \color{#3D99F6}A & \color{#EC7300}0 & \color{#EC7300}0 & \color{#EC7300}0 \\ \end{array}

We can write this as: ( 100 A + 10 B ) × 8 = 1000 A 800 A + 80 B = 1000 A 80 B = 200 A 2 B = 5 A (100A+10B)×8=1000A \\ 800A+80B=1000A \\ 80B=200A \\ \boxed{2B=5A}

  • We find that the possible it comes are, B = 5 , A = 2 B=5, A=2 or, B = 10 , A = 4 B=10, A=4 and so on. . .

  • But as A A and B B are one digit numbers the only option is B = 5 \boxed{B=5} and A = 2 \boxed{A=2}

Let's now verify whether the values are correct:

  • Substituting the values of A = 2 \boxed{A=2} , B = 5 \boxed{B=5} and C = 0 \boxed{C=0} in the question we get,

2 5 0 × 8 2 0 0 0 \huge \begin{array} {c c c } & \color{#3D99F6}2 & \color{#D61F06}5 & \color{#EC7300}0 \\ & & \times & \color{#20A900}8 \\ \hline \color{#3D99F6}2 & \color{#EC7300}0 & \color{#EC7300}0 & \color{#EC7300}0 \\ \end{array}

which is absolutely perfect!

How can 8C=C be correct if C=8? 8C=C is only true when C=0.

Ooi En - 5 years, 11 months ago

Challenge Master, what? You proved that C =/= 8 if 8C = C because 64 =/= 8. 8C = C iff C = 0.

Alec Camhi - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

The solution was edited after I made the comment.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

Can't it also be 125 x 8 = 1000

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

In that case, what is the value of C C ?

For A B C ABC , you used C = 5 C = 5 . But for A C C C ACCC , you used C = 0 C = 0 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 7 months ago
Noel Lo
Jul 1, 2015

From the ones column,

8 C = 10 k + C 8C = 10k+C where k k is a non-negative integer.

7 C = 10 k 7C = 10k

Since 7 7 and 10 10 are coprime, C C must be divisible by 10 10 but for C C to be single-digit, the only possibility is C = 0 C = 0 .

Now we have A B 0 × 8 = A 000 AB0 \times 8 = A000 or 10(AB) \times 8 = 1000A)

8 A B = 100 A 8AB = 100A

8 ( 10 A + B ) = 100 A 8(10A+B) = 100A

20 A = 8 B 20A = 8B

5 A = 2 B 5A = 2B .

For A A and B B to both be single-digit positive integers, A = 2 A =2 and B = 5 B = 5 . A + B + C + D = 2 + 5 + 0 + 8 = 15 A+B+C+D = 2+5+0+8 = \boxed{15} .

Eric Lucas
Jun 5, 2017

Simple inspection of the 8's multiplication table gives all digits.

The only one-digit number for which 8 * C ends in C is C = 0.

The problem is now AB0 * 8 = A000. This requires that 8 * B ends in 0, which means B = 0 or 5. Since 0 is already taken, this forces B = 5.

The problem is now A50 * 8 = A000. Since 8 * 5 carries a 4, 8 * A + 4 must end in 0, or 8 * A must end in 6. This requires A = 2 or A = 7. 750 * 8 = 6000, and 6 =/= 7, so A must be 2. This gives 250 * 8 = 2000, which fits the cryptogram. 2+5+0+8 = 15.

Jerry Cui
Jan 30, 2019

The only number C can be is 0, because C has be something, when multiplied by 8, gives a number that's last digit is also C. 0 is the only 1-digit number that works. So, C = 0.

Next, B has to be a number, that when multiplied by 8, a number that's last digit is 0. Since 0 was already used, we have to use 5, the only other number that fits. So B = 5.

A has to be a number, that when multiplied by 8, gives a number that ends in 6 (because of the carry-over) and it's first digit is A. 2 is the only number that works. So A = 2

2 + 5 + 0 + 8 = 15

  1. So, for all integer values where 0 C 9 0 \leq C \leq 9 , f ( C ) = ( 8 C ) % 10 f(C) = (8C) \% 10 AND g ( C ) = C g(C) = C ,

( 1 × 8 ) (1 \times 8) % 10 = ( 6 × 8 ) 10 = (6 \times 8) % 10 = 8 10 = 8

( 2 × 8 ) (2 \times 8) % 10 = ( 7 × 8 ) 10 = (7 \times 8) % 10 = 6 10 = 6

( 3 × 8 ) (3 \times 8) % 10 = ( 8 × 8 ) 10 = (8 \times 8) % 10 = 4 10 = 4

( 4 × 8 ) (4 \times 8) % 10 = ( 9 × 8 ) 10 = (9 \times 8) % 10 = 2 10 = 2

( 5 × 8 ) (5 \times 8) % 10 = ( 0 × 8 ) 10 = (0 \times 8) % 10 = 0 10 = 0

The only number where f ( C ) = g ( C ) f(C) = g(C) is where C = 0 C = 0 .

This means that B B is either 0 0 or 5 5 .

But if it was 0 0 , then A A would also have to be 0 0 or 5 5 , but it cannot be 5 5 because 5 × 8 = 40 5 \times 8 = 40 , which does not satisfy the equation; and it cannot be 0 0 because they are all distinct digits. So B B must be 5 5 .

So now we must find where

10 A = 8 A + 4 10A = 8A + 4

2 A = 4 2A = 4

A = 2 A = 2

Thus,

A + B + C + 8 = 2 + 5 + 0 + 8 = 15 A + B + C + 8 = 2 + 5 + 0 + 8 = 15

using multiplication facts we know there is no single digit number multiplied by 8 that is the same digit. Knowing this, means that the digit (or c) must be 0. B multiplied by 8 has to equal 0. Which means B equals 0 or 5. Since 0 is already C, B must equal 5. You then carry on the 4 to A. Using multiplication facts A must be 2. 8 times 2equals 16 + 4 = 20

Prince Singh
Jan 14, 2016

8×c=c possible only if c=0, 8×B=c/0 possible only if B=5or0. 8×A=A0 possible only when we get a remaider 4 ,therefore B=5 &A=2

0 pending reports

×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...