JEE Advanced Mechanics Problem

In the above diagram, a rod A B AB of mass m m and length L L is held such that the length of the rod is symmetric in semi-circle (massless) P Q S PQS about P P . Now, the rod is left.

Find the velocity of end B B when the center of rod reaches S S .

Round your answer to the nearest integer

Details and Assumptions :

  • Radius of fixed vertical circle (frictionless), R = 10 m R = 10\text{ m} .

  • Length of rod, L = 2 19 m L = 2\sqrt{19} \text{ m} .

  • g = 10 m/s 2 g = 10\text{ m/s}^2


The answer is 15.

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1 solution

Vedant Jadhav
May 5, 2018

Here we assume that there is no friction between the rod and the circle and the rod is always in contact with the circle. Now, we can see that on the COM only one force is acting that is the weight of the rod. So the COM of rod performs circular motion around the centre of the circle. Radius of circular motion is given by r = R 2 l 2 / 4 = 9. r = \sqrt{R^2-l^2/4} = 9. Now the velocity of COM when it reaches the axis on which point S lies, its velocity is given by energy conservation. 1 2 m v c 2 = m g r \frac{1}{2}mv_c^2 = mgr = > => v c = 2 g r . v_c = \sqrt{2gr}. Substituting the values we get v c = 3 20 . v_c = 3\sqrt{20}. Now the rod is a rigid body and the angular velocity of the COM of the rod is the angular velocity of all the points on the rod. Therefore, w c = v c r = > w c = 20 3 . w_c = \frac{v_c }{r} => w_c = \frac{\sqrt{20}}{3}. Now let's take velocity at point B as v 1 v_1 when the centre of rod reaches point S . Therefore as stated above w w is same for all points on the rod. Therefore w c = w B w_c = w_B . The velocity at B is tangential to the circumference and the radius of circular motion is equal to R = R a d i u s o f C i r c l e = 10. R = Radius of Circle = 10. Therefore w B = v 1 R . w_B = \frac{v_1}{R}. Which implies that w c = v 1 R . w_c = \frac{v_1}{R}. On substituting the values we get v 1 = 10 20 3 = 14.907 v_1 = \frac{10\sqrt{20}}{3} = 14.907 Rounding up to the nearest integer, v 1 = 15 m s 1 . v_1 = 15ms^{-1}.

@Vedant Jadhav , The instantaneous axis of rotation of rod is the center of circle. By energy conservation between Q and S, mgR=1/2(I)(w^2). here (w is angular velocity of rod when its center reaches at S) and I is the moment of inertia of rod about the center of Circle perpendicular to the plane of circle, which yields velocity of B as 18.13 m/s. Where am i wrong?

Priyanshu Mishra - 2 years, 3 months ago

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Here, as you have considered, the instantaneous axis of rotation of the rod will always be the centre of the rod. So the moment of inertia I will be (ml^2)/12 + mr^2. After calculating, we get this equal m x 262/3. Also, the potential energy is conserved with respect to IAOR. So mgR = (1/2) x I x (w^2). So on substituting the values, we get, w = 1.513 rad/s. Now vB is w x R. So, vB = 1.513 x 10. So we get vB approximately 15m/s.

Vedant Jadhav - 2 years, 3 months ago

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I am confused. Shouldn't change in potential energy be mg*sqrt(R^2-l^2/4)?

Jacob Sony - 1 year, 11 months ago

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@Jacob Sony Man the center reaches at S, the distance of S and center of circle is R. so δ U = m g R \delta U = mgR

Priyanshu Mishra - 1 year, 11 months ago

@Vedant Jadhav you have applied energy conservation wrongly. The total kinetic energy of the rod is K = 1 2 m v 2 + 1 2 m l 2 12 ω 2 K=\dfrac{1}{2} mv^2+\dfrac{1}{2} \dfrac{ml^2}{12} \omega^2 The loss in potential energy is Δ U = m g r ; r = 9 meter -\Delta U=mgr; ~~~r=9 \text{ meter} Further using contact constraint b/w rod and sphere gives v = 9 ω v=9 \omega .

Solving K + Δ U = 0 K+\Delta U=0 yields ω = 270 131 \omega = \sqrt{\dfrac{270}{131}} which means that V B = v 2 + 19 ω 2 = 14.35 m/s V_B=\sqrt{v^2+19\omega^2}=14.35 \text{m/s} .

The correct answer is 14. @Steven Chase

Harsh Poonia - 1 year, 7 months ago

The kinetic energy will be sum of translational and rotational when the rod is performing rotation as well. In this case it is not.

Vedant Jadhav - 1 year, 7 months ago

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What? The kinetic energy of rod is actually sum of (kinetic energy of cm) + (kinetic energy about the cm). What you have written as 1/2 mv^2 is only kinetic energy of the cm. The ω \omega used by you is about cm, so 1/2 I w^2 term will definitely come.

Harsh Poonia - 1 year, 7 months ago

@Vedant Jadhav If you want to clear your this doubt, try solving IE Irodov problem 1.267. You will definitely know then.

Harsh Poonia - 1 year, 7 months ago

Read the solution carefully. I've specifically mentioned the w used there is the angular velocity of circular motion of the rod, not rotational motion.

Vedant Jadhav - 1 year, 7 months ago

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Just think about it. If the rod does not have any ω \omega about its center, and at this instant it is moving horizontally to left then the point in contact with ring will have a velocity component normal to the surface, right? This means the point will go through it. Can this happen? No

Harsh Poonia - 1 year, 7 months ago

Please just try Irodov problem 1.267. You will understand. See it here https://jeemain.guru/pdfdownload-problems-in-general-physics-i-e-irodov/

Harsh Poonia - 1 year, 7 months ago

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