The Particle Race begins!

Find the difference in time taken for particles P P and Q Q of equal mass and dimensions, to reach point B B of a hemispherical bowl, when Q Q is flicked across the diameter A B AB through a string and P P slides-down the friction-less surface at t = 0 t=0 , with the same horizontal component of velocity v v .

Details and Assumptions :

  • Both the particles are moving from point A A at t = 0 t=0 .

  • Particle P P never leaves the contact off the surface of the bowl.

  • Particle Q Q moves along the the string (neglect friction) with a uniform velocity.

  • R hemisphere = 20 m R_{\text{hemisphere}}= 20 \text { m} , m = 2 kg m=2 \text { kg} , v = 5 m/s v=5 \text{ m/s} , g = 10 m/s 2 g=10 \text{ m/s}^{2}

  • If you think Q Q reaches first, add 5.31 5.31 to your difference, otherwise add 10.73 10.73 .

This question is part of the set Best of Me
Title Credits: Simran Malik


The answer is 14.432.

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1 solution

Samarpit Swain
Mar 31, 2015

I will be dividing the solution into two parts. The first part will deal with the mathematical computation of the difference of time which will directly tell us which particle reaches its destination first. The second part will describe a more theoretical reasoning behind the outcome, that a person can infer without any calculations. PART 1: Computation \text{ PART 1: Computation}

Let the time taken for particle P P to reach point B B be T P T_{P} . Let it be T Q T_{Q} for particle Q Q .

\bullet Since particle Q Q moves with uniform velocity, T Q = D i s t a n c e t o t a l v = 2 R v = 8 s e c o n d s T_{Q} = \dfrac{Distance_{total}}{|v|}=\dfrac{2R}{|v|}=8seconds

\bullet Now for particle P P . Let the center of the hemisphere be O O and its lowermost point be X X . Now take any arbitrary point Y Y , on arc A X AX .Drop a perpendicular Y Z YZ on O A OA . Let the velocity of particle P P at point Y Y be v v' .

Join points O , Z , Y O , Z, Y to form right Δ O Z Y \Delta{OZY} , right-angled at point Z Z . Mark Y O Z = θ \angle{YOZ}=\theta and length Y Z = h YZ=h . Therefore sin ( θ ) = h R = > h = R sin ( θ ) \sin(\theta)= \dfrac{h}{R} => h=R\sin(\theta)

By conserving mechanical energy along this path-length ( A Y ) (AY) , We have : 1 2 m ( v 2 v 2 ) = m g h = m g R s i n ( θ ) \dfrac{1}{2}m(v'^{2}-v^2)= mgh=mgRsin(\theta) => v = 2 g R sin ( θ ) + v 2 v'= \sqrt{2gR\sin(\theta)+v^{2}}

For calculating the final time, we need to an introduce a quantity that would bring time in the equation as a differential element. Since θ \theta is changing with position and time, we can conveniently introduce Angular velocity(at point Y Y ). Therefore; ω = d θ d t = v R \omega=\dfrac{d\theta}{dt}= \dfrac{v'}{R} => R d θ v = R d θ 2 g R sin ( θ ) + v 2 = d t \dfrac{Rd\theta}{v'}=\dfrac{Rd\theta}{\sqrt{2gR\sin(\theta)+v^{2}}}=dt . Integrating d t dt from 0 0 to t t' , LHS from 0 0 to π 2 \dfrac{\pi}{2} , we get: 0 t d t = 0 π / 2 R d θ 2 g R sin ( θ ) + v 2 \int_{0}^{t'}dt=\int_{0}^{\pi/2}\dfrac{Rd\theta}{\sqrt{2gR\sin(\theta)+v^{2}}} => t = 0 π / 2 20 d θ 400 sin ( θ ) + 25 = 2.16032 s e c o n d s t'=\int_{0}^{\pi/2}\dfrac{20d\theta}{\sqrt{400\sin(\theta)+25}}=2.16032 seconds . Since this time, t t' is is calculated from 0 0 to π 2 \dfrac{\pi}{2} i.e half the total distance, we need to double this time to get T P T_{P} . Therefore, T P = 2 t = 4.32064 s e c o n d s T_{P}=2t'=4.32064 seconds

Hence, T Q > T P T_{Q}>T_{P} and; T Q T P = 8 4.32064 = 3.69736 s e c o n d s T_{Q}-T_{P}= 8- 4.32064= 3.69736 seconds

Final answer = 10.73 + 3.69 = 14.432 : ) \therefore \text{Final answer}= 10.73+3.69= 14.432 :) PART 2: Theoretical Reasoning \text { PART 2: Theoretical Reasoning}

Draw the Free Body Diagram \text{Free Body Diagram} for particle P P at any point(say point Y 'Y' for convenience).There is a component of normal N sin θ N\sin \theta in horizontal direction .Even though the magnitude of this force decreases as the particle slides down ,still it accelerates the particle in horizontal direction till it reaches the bottom .The horizontal component of velocity at any instant during the downward journey ,say V P x V_{Px} will be greater than V 'V ' .

During the upward journey,it is the same component of normal force N sin θ N\sin \theta which decelerates the particle , till it reaches the opposite point to the initial point.Here either by conservation of energy or by symmetry we can say that the velocity of the particle will be same as that of the initial point .

So we can infer that the horizontal component of velocity will always be greater than V 'V' during the entire journey(except at t = 0 t=0 and t = t t=t ). V P x > V V_{Px} > V . The average horizontal speed of the particle is greater than V 'V' .

Also ,in case of Q Q there is no horizontal acceleration,hence velocity of V Q = V V_{Q}=V . The horizontal distances are same in both the cases ,hence T Q > T P : ) T_{Q}>T_{P} :)

Could you please tell me how did you find the value of t'

Aayush Patni - 6 years, 2 months ago

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I used wolfram alpha to compute RHS i.e 0 π / 2 R d θ 2 g R sin ( θ ) + v 2 \int_{0}^{\pi/2}\dfrac{Rd\theta}{\sqrt{2gR\sin(\theta)+v^{2}}} . This is what you mean, right?

Samarpit Swain - 6 years, 2 months ago

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Yes.Thnx. Good solution. I reached the integration part but then I left it

Aayush Patni - 6 years, 2 months ago

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@Aayush Patni Why did you leave it?

Samarpit Swain - 6 years, 2 months ago

Nice Problem. Calculated Tp and Tq correctly but didn't read last part of the problem(add 10.73) did the same mistake 3 times!. :( but still a nice problem and solution

Prakhar Bindal - 6 years ago

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Thanks a lot! Btw what method did you use to compute T P T_{P} ? Have a go at this :)

Samarpit Swain - 6 years ago

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I Used Exactly The Same As Yours . Btw do you study in fiitjee south delhi

Prakhar Bindal - 6 years ago

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@Prakhar Bindal Yup! How do you know that? Are you enrolled there too?

Samarpit Swain - 6 years ago

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@Samarpit Swain I Am Enrolled In FIITJEE East Delhi Centre(Laxmi Nagar) . i saw your comment on brilliant about your fiitjee classes . (i dont remember exactly but i think it was a note)

Prakhar Bindal - 6 years ago

finally i did it but took a lot of time in integration and then finally used wolfram alpha for first time.

aryan goyat - 5 years, 3 months ago

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i have used it many times for problems on brilliant :)

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 3 months ago

"Here either by conservation of energy or by symmetry we can say that the velocity of the particle will be same as that of the initial point " here speed will be same not velocity btw thanks for beautiful explaination

Adarsh Agrawal - 3 years, 2 months ago

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