New way to find square root

Given that 1234321 is a perfect square, quickly find the value of

1234321 . \sqrt{1234321}.


The answer is 1111.

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11 solutions

U Z
Dec 3, 2014

we know

1 1 2 = 121 11^{2} = 121

11 1 2 = 12321 111^{2} = 12321

we can see a sequence

therefore,

1234321 = 111 1 2 1234321 = 1111^{2}

1111 1 2 = 123454321 11111^{2} = 123454321

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Can you explain why this pattern works?

Also, note that the pattern "fails" for n > 9 n > 9 . Or at least, the pattern is no longer as pretty.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

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( 1 + 10 + 100 + . . . . . . . . . + 1 0 n ) 2 = 1 2 + 1 0 2 + . . . . . . . . + 1 0 2 n + 2 ( 1.10 + 1.100 + . . . . . + 10.100 + 10.1000 + . . . . . . . . . . . + 1 0 n 1 . 1 0 n ) {(1+10+100+.........+10^n)}^{2} \\ =1^2+10^2+........+10^{2n}+2(1.10+1.100+.....+10.100+10.1000+...........+10^{n-1}.10^n)

And I can't think of any better reason behind it failing after n = 9 n=9 except our being unable to define it for 2 2 digit numbers.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 6 months ago

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Hm, I'm not sure how that explains the pattern. I do not immediately see how 1234321 falls out of it.

The pattern is no longer as pretty in the sense that

1111111111 ten 1 s 2 = 12345679000987654321 {\underbrace{1111111111}_{\text{ten } 1's} } ^2 = 12345679000987654321

Most people would be "expecting" 1234567890987654321.

The reason why it doesn't work is because the 0 is actually a 10, and so it carries over to the 9, and 9 + 1 = 10 9+1= 10 and so it caries over to the 8, giving us 900 900 instead of 89 { 10 } 89\{10\} .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

Yes i did it by pascal's triangle and yours one , but i think Sir would be happy to see a good algebric proof @Satvik Golechha

U Z - 6 years, 6 months ago

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@U Z How do you use a pascal's triangle, could someone please explain? Thanks

Saket Joshi - 6 years, 5 months ago

You can try this method to find the square root of any other number. And Thank You For Your Correction and Suggestion

Aman Baser - 6 years, 6 months ago

Sir,because when we multiply by common method i.e one digit leaving other and as it's all digit is one.Also when at middle most digit it starts making a stair without base. . Now if no. Of one is more than 9 it generates carry which creates deviation......

Suyash Harsh - 5 years, 12 months ago

I will try to use a combinatorics approach to prove the sequence (I will neglect the case n > 9 for now) . However many 1's you have the 1st digit in the result will always be 1 because it is obtained by multiplying the biggest powers of 10 together once. For the next digit we obtain 2 because two 1's are involved into multiplication on each side. It is easy to see that the number of, powers of 10, used in multiplication determines each digit. The reason that each result is palindromic is that 111.... is symmetric, so the multiplication is also symmetric. After n > 9 some of digit values carry over. [This can be seen if you write out the two numbers and join up the powers of 10's that you are multiplying together.]

Curtis Clement - 6 years, 5 months ago

It is pascal triangle pattern.

Dev Rajyaguru - 5 years, 8 months ago

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1 2 1 , 12321 ... This is not pascal's triangle. Saying so is misleading others.

Ajit Deshpande - 5 years, 6 months ago
Sophie Crane
Dec 14, 2014

from the rules of divisibility of 11, it is obvious that 1234321 is a multiple of 11 (by alternating sum: 1-2+3-4+3-2+1 = 0 )

1234321 121 = 10201 \frac{1234321}{121}=10201 which you can recognize as the square of 101. Because 10201 = 10000 + 200 + 1 = 10 0 2 + 2 ( 1 ) ( 100 ) + 1 = ( 100 + 1 ) 2 10201 = 10000 + 200 + 1 = 100^2 + 2 (1)(100) + 1 = (100 + 1)^2

11 × 101 = 1111 11 \times 101 = 1111

Aman Baser
Dec 3, 2014

It is easy to find the square root of a big number.

The square root of a number with n digits will contain n/2 or n+1/2 digits.

The unit place of square root of a perfect is 0,1,4,5,6 or 9.

The square root of given number is a 4 digit number whose unit place is 1 or 9.(because the last digit of the number is 1)

The number lies between square of 1110 and 1120. The possible values are 1111 or 1119.

The square of 1110 is 1232100 and 1120 is 1254400. The number 1234321 is closer to 1232100 as compared 1254400. Therefore the square root is closer to 1110.

So the correct answer is 1111. This method is also valid for smaller number.

This approach requires knowing that 1234321 is a perfect square. Let me edit that into the question.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

how do u conclude that the square root lies b/w 1110 and 1120 ? can u explain ?

Rajesh Kumar - 6 years, 6 months ago

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I think that he calculate nearest values. Square of 111 and 112 and then multiplied each by 10. The number came in between.

Diyah Muhammed - 4 years, 6 months ago

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I think you meant 'multiplied each by 100'. :)

Krish Shah - 1 year, 1 month ago
Achille 'Gilles'
Dec 14, 2015

Can you see the pattern?

Jakub Šafin
Dec 19, 2014

Checking for divisibility by small primes, we can see that 11 divides our number. Therefore, 121 must also divide it. We can then see that 1234321 = 121 ( 1 0 4 + 200 + 1 ) = 1 1 2 ( 100 + 1 ) 2 1234321=121(10^4+200+1)=11^2(100+1)^2 (because x 2 + 2 x + 1 = ( x + 1 ) 2 x^2+2x+1=(x+1)^2 . The answer is 11 101 = 1111 11\cdot101=1111 .

Mohammed Ali
Dec 6, 2014

root of 1234321 = root of 121 * 10201 = 11 * root of 10201,

10201 = 10,000 + 200 + 1 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = 101^2,

root of 10201 = root of 101^2 = 101,

so answer = 11 * 101 = 1111

Arulx Z
Dec 15, 2015

Here's a lesser known way to find the solution. Using this, you can find root of any integer with high precision.

Moderator note:

Can you explain what you are doing?

I cannot describe the algorithm because I find it a bit hard to render this on LaTeX. This text provides a similar method of finding the square root with complete description of each step.

Arulx Z - 5 years, 5 months ago
Joel Toms
Aug 11, 2015

For coefficients, count how many ways there are of obtaining each power-of-ten product from the two brackets.

111 1 2 1111^2

= ( 1000 + 100 + 10 + 1 ) 2 =(1000+100+10+1)^2

= 1 × 1000000 + 2 × 100000 + 3 × 10000 + 4 × 1000 + 3 × 100 + 2 × 10 + 1 × 1 =1\times1000000+2\times100000+3\times10000+4\times1000+3\times100+2\times10+1\times1

= 1234321 =1234321 .

Patrick Prochazka
Jul 13, 2015

We observe:

1^2= 1

11^2 = 121

111^2 = 12321

1111^2 = 1234321

Amed Lolo
Feb 18, 2016

√1234321=√10^4×123.4321=100√123.4321. 11×11=121,,,,12×12=144 so √123.4321is between 11&12 assume 11.15^2=121+.0225+3.3=124.3225. assume 11.11^2=121+.0121+ 2.42=123.4321### so √1234321=100×11.11=1111####

Eduardo Maia
Dec 14, 2015

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sqrt%281234321%29

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