Devastating blow

Algebra Level 3

x 2011 + a 1 x 2010 + a 2 x 2009 + + a 2010 + 1 \large x^{2011} + a_{1}x^{2010} + a_{2} x^{2009} +\ldots + a_{2010} +1

Given x 1 , x 2 , x 3 , , x 2011 x_1 , x_2 , x_3 , \ldots , x_{2011} are the roots of the polynomial above and that y 1 = x 1 x 2 x 10 y 2 = x 2 x 3 x 11 y 3 = x 3 x 4 x 12 y 2011 = x 2011 x 1 x 2 x 9 \begin{aligned} y_1 &=& x_{1} \ x_{2} \cdots x_{10} \\ y_2 &=& x_{2} \ x_{3} \cdots x_{11} \\ y_3 &=& x_{3} \ x_{4} \cdots x_{12} \\ &\cdot& \\ &\cdot& \\ &\cdot& \\ y_{2011} &=& x_{2011}\ x_{1} \ x_{2} \cdots x_{9} \end{aligned}

Find the value of ( y 1 y 2 y 2011 ) 2011 2010 {{(y_1 \ y_2\ldots y_{2011})}^{2011}}^{2010} .

1 2011 0 None of these -1

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1 solution

Marco Giustetto
Jun 9, 2015

First, notice that a 2011 a_{2011} (the known term) is 1, so the product of all the roots of the polinomial is -1, because of the Vieta's Formula; then, looking at ( y 1 y 2 y 2011 ) 2011 2010 {{(y_1 \ y_2\ldots y_{2011})}^{2011}}^{2010} , we can notice that it is simply the product of all the roots raised to 10, and thus equal to ( 1 ) 10 = 1 (-1)^{10} = 1 .:

indeed, if we expand the writing above using the given definition of the y's (if you need an exact one take a look at the reports), every root appears 10 times (more precisely, every x k x_k appears in y k y_k , y k 1 y_{k-1} , y k 2 y_{k-2} , \cdots , y k 10 y_{k-10} ; if the index i i of the y is negative, assume 2011 + i 2011+i as the index). This implies that

( y 1 y 2 y 2011 ) 2011 2010 = ( ( x i ) 10 ) 201 1 2010 = 1 2011 2010 = 1 {{(y_1 \ y_2\ldots y_{2011})}^{2011}}^{2010} = \left( \left( \prod x_i \right) ^ {10} \right) ^ { 2011 ^ { 2010} } = {1^{2011}}^{2010} = \boxed 1

By Vieta's formulas, the product of all the roots of the polynomial is ( 1 ) 2011 1 1 = ( 1 ) (-1)^{2011}\frac 11=(-1) and not 1 1 .

The main idea of your solution is correct that the product of all the y i y_i 's is the product of all the x i x_i 's raised to 10 10 .

Hence, the required expression is ( ( 1 ) 10 ) 201 1 2010 = 1 ((-1)^{10})^{2011^{2010}}=1 .

Please edit your solution accordingly.

Prasun Biswas - 6 years ago

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Yes, you're right... Excuse me for the mistake and thank you for the report!

Marco Giustetto - 6 years ago

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I can see that you still have a mistake in your work.

( y 1 y 2 y 2011 ) 2011 2010 = 1 2011 2010 = 1 {{(y_1 \ y_2\ldots y_{2011})}^{2011}}^{2010} = {{-1}^{2011}}^{2010} = \boxed 1

I don't get how this is true! Can you see your mistake?

Prasun Biswas - 6 years ago

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@Prasun Biswas Yes, I can... In fact, I was considering ( ( 1 ) 2010 ) 2011 (({-1})^{2010})^{2011} and so the mistake I made (that derives from the fact that when you input LaTex you have to input {{-1}^{2011}}^{2010} to make 1 2011 2010 {{-1}^{2011}}^{2010} appear, wich I confused with the writing above); the problem is, when you input 1 as the solution it says that the answer is correct! I'll made a report on this

Marco Giustetto - 6 years ago

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@Marco Giustetto Actually, we have,

y 1 y 2 y 2011 = ( x 1 x 2 x 2011 ) 10 = ( 1 ) 10 y_1y_2\cdots y_{2011}=(x_1x_2\cdots x_{2011})^{10}=(-1)^{10}

Hence, you should have,

( y 1 y 2 y 2011 ) 201 1 2010 = ( ( 1 ) 10 ) 201 1 2010 = 1 201 1 2010 = 1 \large (y_1 \ y_2\ldots y_{2011})^{2011^{2010}}=((-1)^{10})^{2011^{2010}}=1^{2011^{2010}}=\boxed 1


I was referring to this. You got the correct answer but your method of evaluating it seems incorrect to me.

Prasun Biswas - 6 years ago

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@Prasun Biswas Ok I've understood... Now I can see my solution has already been edited and seems to be correct, thank you for all the corrections :-)

Marco Giustetto - 6 years ago

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