a 2 + 1 + b 2 + 1 6 + c 2 + 4 9
For a , b , c ∈ R such that a + b + c = 5 , what is the minimum value of the expression above?
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Nicely done :)
Wonderful, now thats effing awesome!
Nice One +1 , Finally I also Solved It in Similar manner by using Quadrilateral inequality concept , But instead of Using vector's notations , I used Complex number's notations. I'am bit handy in complex rather in vector!
Good solution! We would need to clarify though that the equality takes place when the three vectors are in the same direction. That is, when b = 4 a and (\vec{c}=7\vec{a}},) and that is why the minimum value is reached.
Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!
This is such a beautiful question... I'll outline a physics/elementary geometry based approach.
The given quantities are obviously distances from A(a,1) , B(b,4) and C(c,7).
Let's consider a simpler case by fixing c (for now).
That is, let's find the maximum value for P A + P B subject to the constraint a + b = k for some k.
Look at the figure below. (Note that the figure marked as A is actually the reflection of A about the y-axis, but that doesn't matter as far as distance is concerned)
First note that point A is constrained to move along y = 1 and similarly B has to move along y = 4 . Also, their horizontal separation is fixed(=k).
Forget point P for now and instead consider the question, what is the minimum value of D A + D B for any point D on y = 0 ? Well, that's pretty easy...
Reflect B (or A) about y = 0 and join this new point to A. The point where this line meets y=0 is the required point. This is equivalent to using Fermat's principle of least time. Now, this point is such that the angle of 'incidence' equals the angle of 'refraction'.
Okay, so now if we move the point A (and thus B also has to move the same distance) such that point P coincides with D , then this configuration of A a n d B is what we need.
From geometry, we will get, b a = 4 1 .
But we did this after fixing the point C . We could have fixed point A or B. Therefore, i f , the conditions we get by fixing the three points separately yield a common solution, then we are done.
(P.S : This is also what happens if we use Langrange multipliers. i.e We get three equations which we solve to get a concurrent solution).
Fortunately the solution does exist. Based on our previous reasoning it is easy to see that for the given values, a : b : c = 1 : 4 : 7 and a + b + c = 5
This yields, a= 1 2 5 , b= 3 5 , c= 1 2 3 5 .
Note that P, A, B, C lie along a straight line in this case.
Shukla ji! Wah wah! It just felt like that they had to lie on a straight line... I do not know why. It somehow always ends up being a straight line!
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The master of intuition strikes again... wow :D
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Nice solution :) +1
Really awesome Shashwat , This is the real Geometric Solution I was Looking For , Thanks For sharing it with us.
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You're welcome :) ...Actually I also solved it using triangle inequality. But as you had started that discussion, I thought of posting this approach, just for variety.
Without using Lagrange multipliers
let a= tan θ b= 4 tan ϕ c= 7 tan δ
Then we have
S = sec θ + 4 sec ϕ + 7 sec δ
where S is what we need to minimise given that tan θ + 4 tan ϕ + 7 tan δ = 5
Now let us square S, to get
s e c 2 θ + 1 6 s e c 2 ϕ + 4 9 s e c 2 δ + 8 s e c θ s e c ϕ + 5 6 s e c ϕ s e c δ + 1 4 s e c δ s e c θ
N o w
s e c θ s e c ϕ = 1 + t a n 2 θ 1 + t a n 2 ϕ ≥ = 1 + t a n θ t a n ϕ
similarly doing for other two and then using
1 + t a n 2 θ = s e c 2 θ
i get
s e c 2 θ + 1 6 s e c 2 ϕ + 4 9 s e c 2 δ + 8 s e c θ s e c ϕ + 5 6 s e c ϕ s e c δ + 1 4 s e c δ s e c θ ≥ 1 + 1 6 + 4 9 + 8 + 5 6 + 1 4 + t a n 2 θ + 1 6 t a n 2 ϕ + 4 9 t a n 2 δ + 8 t a n θ t a n ϕ + 5 6 t a n ϕ t a n δ + 1 4 t a n δ t a n θ = 1 4 4 + ( t a n θ + 4 t a n ϕ + 7 t a n δ ) 2 = 1 6 9
so S= 1 6 9 = 13
Nice solution :)
+1 , Good Use of Inequalities :)
with minkowski it s extremly easy
DIRECT APPROACH USING MINKOWSKI'S INEQUALITY
a 2 + 1 2 + b 2 + 4 2 + c 2 + 7 2 ≥ ( a + b ) 2 + ( 1 + 4 ) 2 + c 2 + 7 2 ≥ ( a + b + c ) 2 + ( 1 + 4 + 7 ) 2 = 5 2 + 1 2 2 = 1 3
Well, that's cool :-)
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Well, I used caps lock because the length of all their solutions is driving me MAD!
Same solution, simple and convenient for the win
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Is it just me or are you browsing through my profile...? XD
By lagrange's multipliers,
By using 2,3 and 4, b=4a and c=7a. Substituting b and c in 1, a= 1 2 5 , b= 3 5 , c= 1 2 3 5
By using these values one can easily calculate given expression to be 1 3
can we use lagrange's multipliers for finding max value?
Lagrangian is just ∇ 2 , right?
if a,b,c are real not taking a+b+c=5,then min value when a=b=c=0,then its value is 1+4+7=12,but when c=5,then sqrt of (c^2+49)<9,then min value is<14,so it is 13.
what is lagrange multiplier???
i tried by cauchy schartz but i am getting min as 15..Y is that..but i ended up guessing 14 and 13 to get right ANS
Well, the solutions given are quite "over the head"(that's because they are really quite amazing). But an alternative always goes fine(I guess).
By AM-GM,
a 2 + 1 ≥ 2 a
b 2 + 1 6 ≥ 8 b
c 2 + 4 9 ≥ 1 4 c
Adding them all up,
a 2 + 1 + b 2 + 1 6 + c 2 + 4 9 ≥ 2 a + 8 b + 1 4 c
Just arranging it a little bit,
≥ 1 4 c + 8 b + 2 a
Using Chebyshev,
≥ 3 1 4 + 8 + 2 ( a + b + c )
Here I assume that a , b , c are positive reals because that will not change the equation. Hence, a , b , c < 5 , hence, their sum of square roots will be just less than their sum. Therefore,
≥ 3 1 4 + 8 + 2 ( 5 ) ≈ 1 3 . 3 0 7 1 6 3 4 5 6 4 8 8 7 1 1
Hence, our final answer becomes 1 3 .
This is not one of the solutions advised! Vectors solutions is awesome. And also, whenever you see 5 and 1 2 and squares, answer has to be 1 3 .
i think that it s false
What you said was 'sum of square roots will be just less than their sum' but what you used in equation was the sum of square roots is greater than sum.
I plugged in c = 5. I got 1 + 4 + √73 < 14. So it has to be an integer greater than 12 and less than 14, I wonder what it could be?
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We know that:
∣ ∣ ∣ a + b + c ∣ ∣ ∣ ≤ ∣ a ∣ + ∣ ∣ ∣ b ∣ ∣ ∣ + ∣ c ∣ a = ( a , 1 ) ; b = ( b , 4 ) ; c = ( c , 7 ) ⇒ a + b + c = ( 5 , 1 2 ) ⇒ ∣ ∣ ∣ a + b + c ∣ ∣ ∣ = 1 3 ( ∵ a + b + c = 5 ) ⇒ ∣ a ∣ + ∣ ∣ ∣ b ∣ ∣ ∣ + ∣ c ∣ ≥ 1 3
You know, when you have 5 and 1 2 , The answer is definitely 1 3