A Pre-RMO question! -24

Geometry Level 2

In rectangle A B C D ABCD , A B = 8 \overline{AB}=8 and B C = 20 \overline{BC} = 20 . Let P P be a point on A D \overline{AD} such that B P C = 90 ° \angle BPC = 90\degree .

If r 1 , r 2 , r 3 r_1, r_2, r_3 are the radii of the in-circles of triangles A P B , B P C \triangle {APB}, \triangle {BPC} and C P D \triangle CPD .

What is the value of r 1 + r 2 + r 3 r_1 + r_2 + r_3 ?


The answer is 8.

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3 solutions

Pop Wong
Aug 3, 2020

This is a very good question!

Let A P AP be x x

( 8 2 + x 2 ) + ( 8 2 + ( 20 x ) 2 ) = 2 0 2 (8^2+x^2) + ( 8^2 + (20-x)^2 ) = 20^2

128 + 2 x 2 40 x + 400 = 400 x 2 20 x + 64 = 0 ( x 4 ) ( x 16 ) = 0 x = 4 o r 16 128 + 2x^2 - 40x + \cancel{400} = \cancel{400} \\ x^2 - 20x + 64 = 0 \implies (x-4)(x-16) = 0 \implies x = 4 or 16

After finding the length of cutting at P, 4 and 16

  • The length from B to the in-circle = 8 r 1 = 8-r_1
  • The length from P to the in-circle = 4 r 1 = 4-r_1
  • The length B P = a = 8 r 1 + 4 r 1 = 12 2 r 1 BP = a = 8-r_1 + 4 - r_1 = 12 - 2r_1

Similarly, we have the following equations:

  • 12 2 r 1 = a 12 - 2r_1 = a
  • 24 2 r 2 = b 24 - 2r_2 = b
  • a + b 2 r 3 = 20 a+b-2r_3= 20

Sum up the 3 equations

36 2 ( r 1 + r 2 + r 3 ) + a + b = a + b + 20 2 ( r 1 + r 2 + r 3 ) = 36 20 = 16 r 1 + r 2 + r 3 = 8 36 -2(r_1 + r_2 + r_3) + \cancel{a+b} = \cancel{a+b}+20 \\ 2(r_1 + r_2 + r_3) = 36 -20 = 16 \\ \therefore \boxed{r_1 + r_2 + r_3 = 8}


Finally, I found out that we can skip to find out the value of x

  • The length from B to the in-circle = 8 r 1 = 8-r_1
  • The length from P to the in-circle = x r 1 = x-r_1
  • The length B P = a = 8 r 1 + x r 1 = 8 + x 2 r 1 BP = a = 8-r_1 + x - r_1 = 8 + x - 2r_1

Similarly, we have the following equations:

  • 8 + x 2 r 1 = a 8 + x - 2r_1 = a
  • 28 x 2 r 2 = b 28 -x - 2r_2 = b
  • a + b 2 r 3 = 20 a+b-2r_3= 20

Sum up the 3 equations and solve for r 1 + r 2 + r 3 = 8 \boxed{r_1 + r_2 + r_3 = 8}

  • Your first line is almost the same, but a nicer and compact way to find where P lies
  • But, I didn't understand how you constructed the three equations for a a and b b which help to find the incircle's radius

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 1 week ago

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join a line from B to the centre, then you have 2 congruent triangles so i marked pink for the same length. similarly for the blue lines.

Or this is a property of tangent lines from a point to circle. always same length.

Pop Wong - 10 months, 1 week ago

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Ohh, that is really clever, nicely done!

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 1 week ago

D P C = P C B = 18 0 P B C = A B P \angle DPC = \angle PCB = 180^\circ - \angle PBC = \angle ABP , hence the right-angled triangles P D C \triangle PDC , C P B \triangle CPB , and B A P \triangle BAP are similar.

Thus, A P B P = B P B C x x 2 + 64 = x 2 + 64 20 20 x = x 2 + 64 x = 4 or x = 16 \dfrac{{AP}}{{BP}} = \dfrac{{BP}}{{BC}} \Rightarrow \dfrac{x}{{\sqrt {{x^2} + 64} }} = \dfrac{{\sqrt {{x^2} + 64} }}{{20}} \Rightarrow 20x = {x^2} + 64 \Rightarrow x = 4{\text{ or }}x = 16

Let x = 4 x = 4 (if we take x = 16 x = 16 we come to the same final result, since r 1 r_1 and r 3 r_3 just interchange their values).

In A P B \triangle APB we have:
[ A P B ] = s r 1 r 1 = [ A P B ] s = 1 2 × 4 × 8 8 + 4 + 4 2 + 64 2 r 1 = 8 3 + 5 \left[ {APB} \right] = s \cdot {r_1} \Rightarrow {r_1} = \dfrac{{\left[ {APB} \right]}}{s} = \dfrac{{\frac{1}{2} \times 4 \times 8}}{{\frac{{8 + 4 + \sqrt {{4^2} + 64} }}{2}}} \Rightarrow {r_1} = \dfrac{8}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }}

Due to similarity, r 2 r 1 = B P A P = 4 5 4 r 2 = r 1 5 r 2 = 8 5 3 + 5 \dfrac{{{r_2}}}{{{r_1}}} = \dfrac{{BP}}{{AP}} = \dfrac{{4\sqrt 5 }}{4} \Rightarrow {r_2} = {r_1}\sqrt 5 \Rightarrow {r_2} = \dfrac{{8\sqrt 5 }}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }}

and r 3 r 1 = D C A P = 8 4 = 2 r 3 = 2 r 1 r 3 = 16 3 + 5 \dfrac{{{r_3}}}{{{r_1}}} = \dfrac{{DC}}{{AP}} = \dfrac{8}{4} = 2 \Rightarrow {r_3} = 2{r_1} \Rightarrow {r_3} = \dfrac{{16}}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }}

Hence, r 1 + r 2 + r 3 = 8 3 + 5 + 8 5 3 + 5 + 16 3 + 5 = 24 + 8 5 3 + 5 = 8 . {r_1} + {r_2} + {r_3} = \dfrac{8}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }} + \dfrac{{8\sqrt 5 }}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }} + \dfrac{{16}}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }} = \dfrac{{24 + 8\sqrt 5 }}{{3 + \sqrt 5 }} = \boxed{8}.

@Vinayak Srivastava , here is the solution to the 7th!

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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It is too hard for me to understand. But I got other 6 correct.

Vinayak Srivastava - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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Ok, But it's a wonderful problem! This solution by Thanos is also very constructive, though a bit tedious in the end. But I used this method only, so a better method if found would be nice to see

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Mahdi Raza Ok, I will try to understand the solution when I am free. I don't know any method for 1st one, though. I just guessed both are 1.

Vinayak Srivastava - 10 months, 3 weeks ago

@Mahdi Raza @Mahdi Raza you may like my method.

Pop Wong - 10 months, 1 week ago

Let P B C \angle {PBC} be α α . Then

20 cos α = 8 sin α sin α = 1 5 20\cos α=\dfrac {8}{\sin α}\implies \sin α=\dfrac {1}{\sqrt 5} ,

cos α = 2 5 , tan α = 1 2 \cos α=\dfrac {2}{\sqrt 5},\tan α=\dfrac {1}{2}

r 1 = 8 cos α 1 + cos α + sin α = 12 4 5 r_1=\dfrac {8\cos α}{1+\cos α+\sin α}=12-4\sqrt 5

r 2 = 16 5 sin α cos α + 2 cos α + 2 sin α r_2=\dfrac {16}{5\sin α\cos α+2\cos α+2\sin α}

= 6 5 10 =6\sqrt 5-10

r 3 = 8 tan α 1 + sec α + tan α = 6 2 5 r_3=\dfrac {8\tan α}{1+\sec α+\tan α}=6-2\sqrt 5

Hence r 1 + r 2 + r 3 = 12 4 5 + 6 5 10 + 6 2 5 = 8 r_1+r_2+r_3=12-4\sqrt 5+6\sqrt 5-10+6-2\sqrt 5=\boxed 8 .

20 cos a = 8 sin a 20\cos a = \dfrac{8}{{\sin a}} doesn't necessarily give sin a = 1 5 \sin a = \dfrac{1}{{\sqrt 5 }} .

Thanos Petropoulos - 11 months ago

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Sure. There are actually four values of sin α \sin α , viz. ± 2 5 , ± 1 5 \pm \dfrac {2}{\sqrt 5},\pm \dfrac {1}{\sqrt 5} . All of them lead to the same answer, provided they don't lead to negative values of the inradii.

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In fact there are two possible values for α \angle α (since it is an acute angle): = 1 5 = \dfrac{1}{{\sqrt 5 }} and = 2 5 = \dfrac{2}{{\sqrt 5 }} and, indeed, they both lead to the same answer. I just think that, due to this ambiguity, the symbol “ \Rightarrow ” in the first statement of the proof might be confusing.

Thanos Petropoulos - 11 months ago

Mr. Alak why did you rename your username to "Foolish learner", no one is foolish, especially a learner! Your solutions are quite amazing!!

Mahdi Raza - 10 months, 1 week ago

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