A refreshing gusher

A lemonade vat is essentially a big cylinder that rests on its end with a spigot on the very bottom. One particular vat is a cylinder with radius 0.1 m 0.1~\mbox{m} and a spigot of radius 0.01 m 0.01~\mbox{m} . Initially the lemonade is at a height of 0.5 m 0.5~\mbox{m} in the vat. You then open the spigot. How long does it take for all the lemonade to flow out of the vat in seconds ?


Details and Assumptions:

  • The vat is open to the air at the top.
  • The acceleration due to gravity is 9.8 m/s 2 -9.8~\mbox{m/s}^2 .


The answer is 31.8.

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6 solutions

Jatin Yadav
Sep 23, 2013

We know that v e f f l u x = 2 g h v_{efflux} = \sqrt{2gh}

Applying equation of continuity ,

v t o p = r 2 R 2 2 g h = d h d t v_{top} = \frac{r^2}{R^2} \sqrt{2gh} = -\frac{dh}{dt}

H 0 d h h = r 2 2 g R 2 0 t d t \Rightarrow \int_{H}^{0} \frac{dh}{\sqrt{h}} = - \frac{r^2 \sqrt{2g}}{R^2} \int_{0}^{t} dt

t = R 2 r 2 2 H g = 31.9 \Rightarrow t = \frac{R^2}{r^2} \sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}} = \fbox{31.9}

Note : v t o p v_{top} is the velocity of the topmost layer of liquid.

jatin yadav - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Though we assume v t o p = 0 v_{top}\;=\;0 when we use Bernoulli's Equation to arrive at v e f f l u x = 2 g h v_{efflux}\;=\;\sqrt{2gh} which seems to be disproved by your solution. Can you justify that assumption or refute it with a suitable explanation ?

Nishant Sharma - 7 years, 8 months ago

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of course i can.

Recall the derivation of toricelli's theorem.

Let v e f f l u x = v 1 , v t o p = v 2 v_{efflux} = v_{1} , v_{top} = v_{2}

Use equation of continuity to get v 2 = a A v 1 < < v 1 v_{2} = \frac{a}{A} v_{1} << v_{1}

Now , we apply bernuolli's theorem to get,

ρ g h + 1 2 ρ v 2 2 + P 0 = 1 2 ρ v 1 2 + P 0 \rho gh + \frac{1}{2}\rho {v_{2}}^2 + P_{0} = \frac{1}{2}\rho {v_{1}}^2 + P_{0}

Now, 1 2 ρ [ v 1 2 v 2 2 ] = ρ g h \frac{1}{2} \rho [{v_{1}}^2 - {v_{2}}^2] = \rho gh

Here , we neglect v 2 v_{2} in comparision to v 1 v_{1} , we don't take it 0 0 .

You do similar thing when we replace c c α c - c\alpha by c c while finding pH of a weak acid .

There you would say that [ H ] + = c α = 0 [H]^{+} = c\alpha = 0 ??

jatin yadav - 7 years, 8 months ago

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@Jatin Yadav Ok. Got it..........So silly a thing asked by me. But thanks for the interest shown by you.......

Nishant Sharma - 7 years, 8 months ago
Kunal Singh
Sep 22, 2013

Let the rate of the liquid flowing out of the spigot be d V d t \frac{\mathrm dV}{\mathrm dt} = -(rate of volume of the liquid lost as it flows out) . The minus sign is for indicating the decrease in volume . Let A A and a a be the area of cross-section of the base of the container and the spigot respectively . Let v v be the velocity in m/s with which the liquid flows out of the spigot . Thus , the volume of liquid which flows out per second from the spigot = a v av . Therefore ,

d V d t = a v \frac{\mathrm dV}{\mathrm dt} = -av ( E q . 1 ) (Eq. 1)

Let mass m m of the liquid be at height h h above the base of the container . It has potential energy = m g h mgh . When this liquid flows out of the spigot , it will have a kinetic energy = 1 2 m v 2 \frac{1}{2}mv^2 . Hence , using conservation of energy and assuming no loss of energy due to viscosity of liquid or forces of cohesion , we can say that m g h = 1 2 m v 2 mgh=\frac{1}{2}mv^2

v = 2 g h \Rightarrow v=\sqrt{2gh} ( E q . 2 ) (Eq.2)

From E q . 1 Eq.1 and E q . 2 Eq.2 , we conclude d V d t = a 2 g h \frac{\mathrm dV}{\mathrm dt}=-a\sqrt{2gh} . Writing the volume of liquid in the container as a function of time , we have V ( t ) = A h ( t ) V(t)=Ah(t) where h h is the height of the liquid in the cylinder as a function of time . Thus , we can write d ( V ( t ) ) d t = A d ( h ( t ) ) d t \frac{\mathrm d\big (V(t)\big )}{dt}=A\frac{\mathrm d\big (h(t)\big )}{dt} . Therefore , A d ( h ( t ) ) d t = a 2 g h d ( h ( t ) ) d t = a A 2 g h A\frac{\mathrm d\big (h(t)\big )}{dt}=-a\sqrt{2gh}\Rightarrow \frac{\mathrm d\big (h(t)\big )}{dt}=-\frac{a}{A}\sqrt{2gh} .

Simply put , we have d h d t = k h \frac{\mathrm dh}{\mathrm dt}=-k\sqrt{h} where k = a A 2 g k=\frac{a}{A}\sqrt{2g} .

After variable separation , we have d h h = k \frac{\mathrm dh}{\sqrt{h}}=-k d t \mathrm dt . Let the height of the cylinder be H H . As the height of the liquid decreases from H H to zero , time increases from zero to t t . Integrating the above obtained differential equation after applying proper limits , we have

H 0 d h h = 0 t k d t 2 H = k t t = 2 H k \int_H^0 \frac{\mathrm dh}{\sqrt{h}}=\int_0^t k \, \mathrm{dt} \Rightarrow -2\sqrt{H}=-kt \Rightarrow t=\frac{2\sqrt{H}}{k} .

Substituting for k k , we have t = A a 2 H g t=\frac{A}{a}\sqrt\frac{2H}{g} .

Substituting the values , we get t = π ( 0.1 ) 2 π ( 0.01 ) 2 2 × 0.5 9.8 t=\frac{\pi (0.1)^2}{\pi (0.01)^2}\sqrt\frac{2\times 0.5}{9.8}

t = 31.94 \Rightarrow t=\boxed{31.94} seconds .

In the integral with limits , the R.H.S. of the equation should be 0 t k d t \int_0^t \, -k\mathrm dt . Sorry for the mistake .

Kunal Singh - 7 years, 8 months ago
Zhipeng Wang
Sep 22, 2013

Bernoulli's Equation says 1 2 ρ v 1 2 + ρ g h 1 + p 1 = 1 2 ρ v 2 2 + ρ g h 2 + p 2 \frac{1}{2} \rho v_1^2 + \rho g h_1+p_1=\frac{1}{2} \rho v_2^2+\rho g h_2+p_2 . Because p 1 = p 2 = p a t m p_1=p_2=p_{atm} in this case and the velocity at the top of the container is v 1 = 0 v_1=0 approximately. Hence, we have v 2 = 2 g Δ h v_2=\sqrt{2g\Delta h} . In the case, Δ h = h = 0.5 m \Delta h=h=0.5m

It follows that the rate of flow at bottom is Q = v 2 A 0 = 2 g h A 0 Q=v_2 A_0=\sqrt{2gh} A_0 in which A 0 A_0 denotes the cross sectional area of the spigot.

Then we have d V d t = 2 g h A 0 \frac{dV}{dt}=-\sqrt{2gh} A_0 , which can be reduced to d V d t = 2 g A 0 V / A 1 \frac{dV}{dt}=-\sqrt{2g} A_0 \sqrt{V/A_1} in which A 1 A_1 denotes the cross sectional area of the vat and V V denotes the volume of lemonade.

Solve the differential equation to obtain 2 V 1 / 2 = A 1 1 / 2 A 0 2 g t + C 2V^{1/2}=-A_{1}^{-1/2} A_0\sqrt{2g}t+C in which C C is an unknown constant. In the equation, A 1 = 0. 1 2 π , A 0 = 0.0 1 2 π A_1=0.1^2\pi, A_0=0.01^2\pi

Substitute t = 0 t=0 and V = 0.5 0. 1 2 π V=0.5*0.1^2\pi into the equation and then we get C = 2 π / 200 C=2\sqrt{\pi/200}

Then substitute V = 0 V=0 into the equation and solve for t. Eventually, t = 31.8 s t= 31.8s

Leonardo Chandra
Sep 25, 2013

You need to find the debit of the water from the spigot first: Firstly, you need to find the velocity:

v= 2 g h \sqrt{2*g*h}

v= 9.8 \sqrt{9.8}

Secondly, you need to find the Debit:

Q=A*v, A=base area of lemon vat= π . r 2 = ( 0.01 ) 2 . π \pi.r^2= (0.01)^2.\pi

Q= ( 0.01 ) 2 9.8 π (0.01)^2*\sqrt{9.8}*\pi

Thirdly, you can find the time from the debit and velocity:

t= volume of lemon/debit

Volume of lemon= π r 2 h = ( 0.1 ) 2 0.5 π \pi*r^2*h= (0.1)^2*0.5*\pi

t = ( 0.1 ) 2 0.5 π / ( ( 0.01 ) 2 98 π ) t= (0.1)^2*0.5*\pi/((0.01)^2*\sqrt {98} *\pi)

t = 31.94 s e c o n d t= 31.94 second

Simple man

sri Ram - 2 years, 7 months ago

Hmm strange, how You get 32 sec, I get 15 sec. Your explanation is very good. Thank you.

Sergei Gontsarenko - 12 months ago

From Bernoulli's Equation we have:

1 2 ρ v 1 2 + ρ g h 1 + p 1 = 1 2 ρ v 2 2 + ρ g h 2 + p 2 \frac{1}{2} \rho v_{1}^2 + \rho g h_{1} + p_{1} = \frac{1}{2} \rho v_{2}^2 + \rho g h_{2} + p_{2}

where 1 _{1} states the condition at the top of the vat and 2 _{2} states the condition at the bottom of the vat.

Since p 1 = p 2 p_{1} = p_{2} and v 1 = 0 , v_{1} = 0,

ρ g h 1 = 1 2 ρ v 2 2 + ρ g h 2 \rho g h_{1} = \frac{1}{2} \rho v_{2}^2 + \rho g h_{2}

v 2 = 2 g Δ h v_{2} = \sqrt{2gΔh}

We can write the rate of flow at the bottom of the cylinder as below:

Q = v 2 A s p i g o t Q = v_{2} A_{spigot}

d V d t = 2 g Δ h A s p i g o t \frac{dV}{dt} = -\sqrt{2gΔh} A_{spigot}

Because Δ h = V A v a t , Δh = \frac{V}{A_{vat}},

d V d t = 2 g V A v a t A s p i g o t \frac{dV}{dt} = -\sqrt{2g \frac{V}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot}

1 V d V d t = 2 g A v a t A s p i g o t \frac{1}{\sqrt{V}} \frac{dV}{dt} = -\sqrt{\frac{2g}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot}

2 V = 2 g A v a t A s p i g o t t + C 2\sqrt{V} = -\sqrt{\frac{2g}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot} t + C

When t = 0 , t = 0, then V = π × 0. 1 2 × 0.5. V = π \times 0.1^2 \times 0.5. Here we obtain C = 2 π 10 . C = \frac{\sqrt{2π}}{10} . Hence we can get full equation as below:

2 V = 2 g A v a t A s p i g o t t + 1 10 2 π 2\sqrt{V} = -\sqrt{\frac{2g}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot} t + \frac{1}{10} \sqrt{2π}

When V = 0 , V = 0,

2 g A v a t A s p i g o t t + 2 π 10 = 0 -\sqrt{\frac{2g}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot} t + \frac{\sqrt{2π}}{10} = 0

2 g A v a t A s p i g o t t = 2 π 10 \sqrt{\frac{2g}{A_{vat}}} A_{spigot} t = \frac{\sqrt{2π}}{10}

t = 2 π 10 × A v a t 2 g × 1 A s p i g o t t = \frac{\sqrt{2π}}{10} \times \sqrt{\frac{A_{vat}}{2g}} \times \frac{1}{A_{spigot}}

Since A v a t = π × 0. 1 2 A_{vat} = π \times 0.1^2 and A s p i g o t = π × 0.0 1 2 A_{spigot} = π \times 0.01^2

t = 31.943 t = 31.943

The answer said 31.8 31.8 , a bit different with mine. I wonder where did I make mistake?

Fariz Azmi Pratama - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Actually, i was also getting exactly 31.943 31.943 . The probable error :

v 1 0 v_{1} \neq 0 but v 1 = A s p i g o t A v a t v 2 v_{1} = \frac{A_{spigot}}{A_{vat}} v_{2} and hence v 2 = A v a t 2 g h A v a t 2 A s p i g o t 2 v_{2} = A_{vat} \sqrt{\frac{2gh}{{A_{vat}}^2 - {A_{spigot}}^2}} which can be approximated as 2 g h \sqrt{2gh} as A s p i g o t < < A v a t . A_{spigot} << A_{vat} .

jatin yadav - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Wow your solution much shorter than mine, cool :O

Fariz Azmi Pratama - 7 years, 8 months ago

How can d V d t = 2 g Δ h A s p i g o t ? \frac{dV}{dt} = -\sqrt{2gΔh}A_{spigot}? I mean why should it be - instead of + ? +?

Nabila Nida Rafida - 7 years, 8 months ago
A L
Sep 29, 2013

R , r R,r are the radii of he cylinder and the spigot respectively and h ˙ , v \dot{h}, v is the change in the height of the water and the speed at the spigot respectively. Due to the conservation of mass,

h ˙ π R 2 = v π r 2 \dot{h} \pi R^2 = v \pi r^2

h ˙ R 2 r 2 = v \dot{h} \frac{R^2}{r^2} = v

Also, using the Bernoulli equation,

P 0 + ρ v 2 2 + ρ g 0 = P 0 + ρ h ˙ 2 2 + ρ g h P_0+\frac{\rho v^2}{2}+\rho g 0=P_0+\frac{\rho \dot{h}^2}{2}+\rho g h

Combining,

h ˙ 2 R 4 r 4 = h ˙ 2 + 2 g h \dot{h}^2 \frac{R^4}{r^4}= \dot{h}^2+2g h

Δ t = R 4 r 4 r 4 2 g h = h 0 0 1 h d h \Delta t =\sqrt{\frac{R^4-r^4}{r^4 2g}} \int _{h=h_0}^0 \frac{1}{\sqrt{h}} dh

Δ t = 2 R 4 r 4 r 4 2 g h 0 \Delta t =-2 \sqrt{\frac{R^4-r^4}{r^4 2g}} \sqrt{h_0}

Then insert the values.

There is an unwanted minus sign, but the absolute value is correct. Any ideas where the minus sign came from? I'm pretty sure my limits of integration are the correct way around.

A L - 7 years, 8 months ago

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