A stable ball

A ball that’s half wood and half iron rolls on a flat surface.

Which position is most likely when it comes to rest?

A B C D

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The center of mass of a solid hemisphere of radius R R is 3 8 R \frac 38 R from the center of the sphere normal to the flat surface of the hemisphere. Since the density of iron is 7.27 g/cm 3 7.27 \text{ g/cm}^3 and that of wood is 0.39 0.60 g/cm 3 0.39 \thicksim 0.60 \text{ g/cm}^3 , the center of mass of the ball is approximately 3 8 R \frac 38 R from its center in the iron hemisphere (shown as red dot in the figure). The most stable position of the ball is when it has the lowest potential energy m g h mgh , where m m is the mass of the ball, g g the acceleration due to gravity and h h the distance from the flat surface. As m m and g g are constant, the lowest potential energy occurs when h h is smallest. Of the four positions, B \boxed B has the smallest h h and hence the most stable position.

In other words it needs the point of stable equilibrium

Md Zuhair - 2 years, 11 months ago

Answer b appeared too obvious, so I thought maybe the momentum would cause the ball's position to be more like c. The problem should specify which direction the ball is rolling.

Ryan Flint - 2 years, 11 months ago

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It doesn't matter which direction. Assuming the ball is rolling and loses energy due to friction. When the ball loses all its kinetic energy due to friction, it momentary stops. If the center of mass is not at the lowest it will move down, say in a clockwise direction moving the ball. When it reaches the lowest point the kinetic energy will move it pass the lowest point and reach the highest point lower than the previous highest point due to loss of energy. The ball momentary stops and then rotates anti-clockwise, the center of mass moves pass the lowest point and reaches another highest point and then repeats like a pendulum until it losses all its energy and rest on the lowest point.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not sure I agree. Another argument is that the ball doesn't roll at a constant speed, since it's continuously trading off kinetic energy for potential energy. It rolls most slowly when the iron is at the top (position D). Its speed is continually decreasing, of course, due to friction, and it's most likely to reach zero when it's already at a minimum – hence D is the right answer. Has anyone tried the experiment?

Paul Horwitz - 2 years, 11 months ago

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When the ball loses all its kinetic energy due to friction, it momentary stops. If the center of mass is not at the lowest it will move down, say in a clockwise direction moving the ball. When it reaches the lowest point the kinetic energy will move it pass the lowest point and reach the highest point lower than the previous highest point due to loss of energy. The ball momentary stops and then rotates anti-clockwise, the center of mass moves pass the lowest point and reaches another highest point and then repeats like a pendulum until it losses all its energy and rest on the lowest point.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 11 months ago

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OK, that sounds right. There's some question, though, concerning the difference between rolling and static friction, though. If the static friction is sufficiently greater than the rolling friction then it the ball might very well end up with more than the minimum energy. But in that case the outcome is strictly indeterminate. I wouldn't be surprised if an experimental test of the model showed a good deal of randomness.

Paul Horwitz - 2 years, 11 months ago

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@Paul Horwitz That is why the problem mentions "which position is most likely ". It is quite clear to me and the explanation I gave was actually a thought experiment. Of course you can do experiments, good luck. The principle is used in the tumbler toy ( see video ).

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 11 months ago

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@Chew-Seong Cheong You need to understand the newton's gravity then you will understand why the answer is B instead of D

quagmire glen - 2 years, 11 months ago

Which half is iron and which half is wood. I had the correct answer (D), but I had iron and wood reversed.

Jerry Nix - 2 years, 11 months ago

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If so, Either you have some problem in your eyes, Or your Computer/Mobile screen is way too dirty or cannot show correct colour. (In case, Repair it) ,else, Repair your eye

Md Zuhair - 2 years, 11 months ago

I would have said that the most likely position would be D as wood is the least smooth of the surfaces therefore if rolled it would be more likely to stop on the side that creates the most friction. I didn't think of weight unfortunately.

Sam Hudson - 2 years, 11 months ago

it has to be b because Iron has a density of 7.874 g/mL assuming it's pure iron. wood has a density of 0.74 saying it's american red oak. but, votes of 112 (and counting) also says it's b, but the iron is not solid, and, we don't know the type of wood, it could have any density

Good Analysis.

Yasser Baroudy - 2 years, 11 months ago

The question asks which is most likely. Is anything except B even possible?

Isaac Pace - 2 years, 10 months ago

violets are blue, roses are red, iron is heavier so anyone telling the answer isn't B would be mad.

You're 112 years old?...wow

Simon The Great - 2 years, 11 months ago

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lol true though

James Bacon - 2 years, 11 months ago

So straightforward. That's how I did it.

Anuj Shikarkhane - 2 years, 11 months ago

For who is visionary people like me think of da vinchi perpendicular machine and add a special ball with heavier weight you will know the answer but to be honest D and B is right answer but D is more likely to pass the answer.

William John - 2 years, 11 months ago

Your "solution" doesn't even show how you got the answer.

Laura Gao - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Kind of explains it...

Zoe Codrington - 2 years, 9 months ago

They weigh the same, since it is half iron and half wood. The density is the significant governer in this experiment. Since iron is more dense than wood (as wood by nature is more perforated material), the tendency of the sphere to rest on the densier half is more.

Yasser Baroudy - 2 years, 11 months ago

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The weight is not the same .Iron is heavier than wood because it has higher density (and you can calculate it if you know the formula V=m/D or D=m/V) .

Marija Jendriš - 2 years, 11 months ago

If the sphere is made of 2 hemispheres each of the same radius r, the iron hemisphere must be heavier than the wood hemisphere because iron is more dense. So no, they don't "weigh the same".

Emily Falces - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Iff(If and only if) THEY EACH HAVE SAME RADIUS

Zoe Codrington - 2 years, 9 months ago

Yep, but iron is DENSER

Zoe Codrington - 2 years, 9 months ago
Stephen Mellor
Jul 7, 2018

Iron is much more dense than wood. Since the volume of each material in the ball is the same, this means that the iron half weighs more. As there is more weight in the iron half, the iron half will be at the bottom when it comes to rest, making it answer B \boxed{\text{B}} .


If you would like a confirmation that the iron half will most likely be on the bottom, imagine the ball as shown in option A, with a bit of kinetic energy still. The centre of mass is on the right, meaning that it will roll slightly to the right, making the iron on the bottom. Now that the centre of mass is central, the ball is unlikely to roll as much. Also, note that the centres of mass of options A and C are off centre, whereas although D is central, the centre of mass is slightly higher up, meaning it is more likely to be B.

Ribbitt Iii
Jul 10, 2018

Iron is heavier than wood

Aditya Satnalika
Jul 11, 2018

If you think intuitively,you will find that as the ball rolles,and when the iron half is above there will be a greater torque devepeloped even on slight rolling than when the wooden half is on top.hence the position with the iron half at bottom is most stable

Laura Gao
Jul 10, 2018

The iron is more dense than the wood, so the center of gravity of the ball would be closer to the iron side than the wood side. Objects tend to move towards positions where the center of gravity is closest to the ground, and in position B the iron part is closest to the ground.

John Trowbridge
Jul 9, 2018

The pull of gravity is stronger in the iron because it is more dense

simplest way to do it. I am ten and this is how I solved it

Diego Abadie - 2 years, 11 months ago
Junel Bari
Jul 8, 2018

B

Stability is finding the Center of gravity (point of even distribution of the mass) of the entire object and the closer the center of gravity to the ground the stable the object will be and in this case (B) is the answer ( the mass is well distributed its center of gravity is in the lower center in the (half iron) near the ground. For A the iron right side(half iron) has more weight so the center of gravity is on the right most which makes it not stable, For C left side has more weight(half iron) so the center of gravity of the object is in the left most not stable, For D it is stable it will not move since the center of gravity is in place where the mass is well distributed but a slight movement will make D move easily due to the center of gravity is at the upper most where most of the mass of half iron is located so D is next to B when it comes to stability.

Because iron is heavier than wood which is obviously true since metals are damn heavy. So it will probably be at the bottom after the ball rolls. Same if you threw it into water. Except it will mid- float.

Vivaan Jain
Jul 14, 2018

The correct answer is (B).There are many reasons why the iron part will be in contact with the ground at rest . The best solution to this problem is the concept of density, mass and weight. The iron and wood part have equal volumes but as iron is denser it means that iron has more weight than the wood in the following example. As the of iron is more than that of wood the centre of mass would be towards the iron half and objects tend to face the ground with the centre of mass pointing towards the ground. Hence , option (B) is the correct answer

Lillian Myhan
Jul 11, 2018

To keep it simple: The Wood is light, The Iron is heavy, Gravity pulls on everything.

roses are red, violets are blue, iron is heavier so the answer is b

Hanan Ibrahim
Jul 10, 2018

This was too easy, I almost thought it was a trick question.

Phạm Hoàng
Jul 9, 2018

We know that iron is heavier than wood,so the ball central of mass is located on the ball iron side. B \color{#3D99F6}{\boxed{\large{B}}} is the answer because the ball central of mass is lowest & the most stable position.

Christina Akel
Jul 9, 2018

Iron is heavier than wood so it must land on the heavy side which is iron

B D
Sep 22, 2018

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iron is heavier than wood

The center of mass is at the middle of the iron because iron is more dense. Therefore, the correct answer is b

Rahul Swaminathan
Jul 13, 2018

Gravity pulls heavier objects with more force, since the iron is heavier it will be the lowest.

Diane Tu
Jul 11, 2018

Iron is heavier than wood, so therefore it is B.

Elijah Jones
Jul 10, 2018

Iron outweighs and creates inertia,the wood acts as a light counter weight and will always be on the opposite end of the iron.

Steven Zheng
Jul 9, 2018

I think this problem is essentially explains how roly-poly toys (wobbler man) work. Link here

Mason Pedersen
Jul 9, 2018

A and C are equally as likely so neither of them could be it. But D has its center of mass on the upper portion of the ball which results in it flipping over and becoming B therefore B is the most likely.

Leeanne Ngenge
Jul 9, 2018

Since iron is more dense than wood, surely it would be situated at the bottom. This hypothesis is simply based on the topic of density (mainly taught in physics and perhaps in maths) which stresses that lighter (less dense) objects are always on top of the more dense object. Obviously don't simply base your scientific knowledge on all maths questions since most questions require you to actively calculate figures and apply them to the question. But in this instance, it was particularly straightforward to those who knew density prior to answering the question.

Kai Yang Khoo
Jul 9, 2018

It's obvious that the answer isn't A or C since the iron half is denser than the wooden half.

D is also out because iron is denser so it can't be on top of the wooden half.

Thus, the answer is B.

Ritabrata Roy
Jul 9, 2018

Iron weighs greater than wood

I'd like to give a short answer: Iron's density is more than that of wood's. Simple.

John Oshman
Jul 8, 2018

Shouldn't you quantify that the ball is solid, or otherwise state that the two materials have the same thickness? You could conceivably have a solid dense wood and very thin iron half sphere that still represents a ball that is half and half, and subsequently reacts differently than what you originally intended....

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