A strange octagon

Geometry Level 5

ABCD is a square with a side length of 3 3 3 \sqrt{3} . AED, DGC, AHB and BFC are equilateral triangles.
The area of the polygon IJKLMNOP is a + b 3 a + b \sqrt{3} , where a a and b b are rational numbers.
What is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 36.

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Tunk-Fey Ariawan
Mar 20, 2014

See the picture below. Octagon in Square Octagon in Square Using Δ MRC \Delta\text{MRC} : M R = R C tan 3 0 y = 3 2 3 1 3 = 3 2 . \begin{aligned} \overrightarrow{MR}&=\overrightarrow{RC}\tan 30^\circ\\ y&=\frac{3}{2}\sqrt{3}\cdot\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ &=\frac{3}{2}. \end{aligned} Using Δ CQL \Delta\text{CQL} : L Q = Q C tan 3 0 x = ( 3 3 x ) 1 3 x 3 + x = 3 3 x = 3 3 3 + 1 = 9 3 3 2 . \begin{aligned} \overrightarrow{LQ}&=\overrightarrow{QC}\tan 30^\circ\\ x&=(3\sqrt{3}-x)\cdot\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\\ x\sqrt{3}+x&=3\sqrt{3}\\ x&=\frac{3\sqrt{3}}{\sqrt{3}+1}\\ &=\frac{9-3\sqrt{3}}{2}. \end{aligned} Then, we calculate length L N \overrightarrow{LN} . L N = B C 2 B Q z = 3 3 2 x z = 3 3 2 ( 9 3 3 2 ) = 6 3 9. \begin{aligned} \overrightarrow{LN}&=\overrightarrow{BC}-2\overrightarrow{BQ}\\ z&=3\sqrt{3}-2x\\ z&=3\sqrt{3}-2\left(\frac{9-3\sqrt{3}}{2}\right)\\ &=6\sqrt{3}-9. \end{aligned} Therefore, area of the polygon IJKLMNOP \text{IJKLMNOP} is equal to the sum of the area square JLNP \text{JLNP} and four times area of the triangle LMN \text{LMN} . [ IJKLMNOP ] = [ JLNP ] + 4 [ LMN ] = z 2 + 4 1 2 z ( x y ) = z ( z + 2 ( x y ) ) = ( 6 3 9 ) ( 6 3 9 + 2 ( 9 3 3 2 3 2 ) = ( 6 3 9 ) ( 6 3 9 + 9 3 3 3 ) = ( 6 3 9 ) ( 3 3 3 ) = 81 45 3 . \begin{aligned} [\text{IJKLMNOP}]&=[\text{JLNP}]+4[\text{LMN}]\\ &=z^2+4\cdot\frac{1}{2}z(x-y)\\ &=z(z+2(x-y))\\ &=(6\sqrt{3}-9)(6\sqrt{3}-9+2\left(\frac{9-3\sqrt{3}}{2}-\frac{3}{2}\right)\\ &=(6\sqrt{3}-9)(6\sqrt{3}-9+9-3\sqrt{3}-3)\\ &=(6\sqrt{3}-9)(3\sqrt{3}-3)\\ &=81-45\sqrt{3}. \end{aligned} Thus, a + b = 81 + ( 45 ) = 36 a+b=81+(-45)=\boxed{36} .

Mr. Munteanu, could you please check the answer of A Geometry problem by Marius Munteanu ? I've tried to answer, but the system said my answer was incorrect. Thanks...

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

Nice solution. when I solve it I considered the triangle FXG, X centre of the square . Then i found the area of triangles FXK, FXG, FJG andGXI. Then area of the the polygon IJKX= 2Area(FXK)+Area (FJG)-Area(FXG). Multiply that by 4 you will get the answer.

Marius Munteanu - 7 years, 2 months ago

z = 2 QR = 2(BR - BQ) => z= 2 (3√3/2 - 3√3/(1+√3)) = 6√3 - 9, A=z^2 +(√3/4) z^2*(4/3) = 81 - 45√3

Ajit Athle - 7 years, 2 months ago

How to get angle MCR as 3 0 30 ^ \circ ? I got the interior angle of the polygon IJKLMNOP as 13 5 135 ^ \circ based on the fact it is an octagon and calculated RMC as 67. 5 67.5 ^ \circ which lead to MCR being 22. 5 22.5 ^ \circ . Where was I wrong? Thx. =)

Jagatheesan Jack - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Δ CDG \Delta\text{CDG} is an equilateral triangle, then it is obvious MRC = 3 0 \angle\text{MRC}=30^\circ .

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 2 months ago

It's not a regular polygon. Half the interior angles are 12 0 o 120^o (e.g. the angle at I I ) and half are 15 0 o 150^o (e.g. the angle at J J ).

Patrick Corn - 7 years, 2 months ago

In reply to @Patrick Corn and @Tunk-Fey Ariawan : Oops, I made some wrong assumptions. Thx guys, that was helpful. ;)

Jagatheesan Jack - 7 years, 2 months ago

But I want to ask, how can I proof the polygon formed inside is a regular octagon?

思澄 馮 - 7 years, 1 month ago

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It is not a regular octagon. It has all the sides equal but not all the angles are equal. That is why I have call it a strange octagon.

Marius Munteanu - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Ok, thanks a lot.

思澄 馮 - 7 years, 1 month ago
Maharnab Mitra
Mar 30, 2014

Consider a coordinate system where the origin is the centre of the square. Find the equations of the following lines accordingly.

On solving them, you'll get O ( 9 3 3 2 3 , 0 ) (\frac{9-3 \sqrt{3}}{2 \sqrt{3}} , 0) , N ( 3 3 ( 3 1 ) 2 ( 3 + 1 ) , 3 3 ( 1 3 ) 2 ( 3 + 1 ) ) (\frac{3 \sqrt{3} (\sqrt{3} -1)}{2( \sqrt{3} +1)}, \frac{3 \sqrt{3} (1- \sqrt{3} )}{2( \sqrt{3} +1)}) and M ( 0 , 3 3 9 2 3 ) (0, \frac{3 \sqrt{3}-9}{2 \sqrt{3}}) . Due to symmetry, take the mirror image of N and M in the first quadrant as P ( 3 3 ( 3 1 ) 2 ( 3 + 1 ) , 3 3 ( 3 1 ) 2 ( 3 + 1 ) ) (\frac{3 \sqrt{3} (\sqrt{3} -1)}{2( \sqrt{3} +1)}, \frac{3 \sqrt{3} ( \sqrt{3} -1 )}{2( \sqrt{3} +1)}) and I ( 0 , 9 3 3 2 3 ) (0, \frac{9-3 \sqrt{3}}{2 \sqrt{3}}) .

Now, find the area of the shaded part for the first quadrant.

1 4 A = ( Z R × R P ) + ( 1 2 R P × R O ) + ( 1 2 W I × W P ) = ( Z R × R P ) + ( R P × R O ) = R P ( Z R + R O ) = ( R P × Z O ) \frac{1}{4} A= (ZR \times RP)+(\frac{1}{2} RP \times RO)+(\frac{1}{2} WI \times WP) =(ZR \times RP)+(RP \times RO) =RP(ZR+RO) = (RP \times ZO) 1 4 A = 9 3 4 ( 3 3 5 ) A = 81 45 3 \implies \frac{1}{4} A = \frac{9 \sqrt{3}}{4} (3 \sqrt{3} -5) \implies A= 81- 45 \sqrt{3}

So, 81 45 = 36 81-45= \boxed{36}

I also did with coordinate geometry.

If you have marked the origin Z Z , you could have rather found the area of Δ P Z O \Delta PZO and multiplied it by 8, instead of the square + 2 triangles. This was what I did.

Himanshu Arora - 7 years ago
Nenad Đapić
Mar 30, 2014

The octagon is big square s 2 = 27 s^2 = 27 minus 4 times yellow quadrangle, see geogebra illustration .

illustration illustration

Yellow quadrangle is sum of two similar blue triangles. Similarity coefficient of two blue triangles is easily calculated by dividing their black heights: s 2 s 3 4 s 3 4 = 2 3 3 . \frac{\frac s2 - \frac{s \sqrt 3}4}{\frac{s \sqrt 3}4} = \frac{2 - \sqrt 3}{\sqrt 3}. Bigger blue triangle is half of equilateral triangle: s 2 3 8 \frac{s^2 \sqrt 3}8 . Adding smaller one gives their sum s 2 3 8 ( 1 + ( 2 3 ) 2 3 ) = s 2 3 4 5 2 3 3 . \frac{s^2 \sqrt 3}8 \bigg( 1 + \frac{(2-\sqrt 3)^2}3 \bigg) = \frac{s^2 \sqrt 3}4 \cdot \frac{5-2\sqrt 3}3. 4 times yellow quadrangle is then s 2 3 5 2 3 3 = s 2 5 3 6 3 . s^2 \sqrt 3 \cdot \frac{5-2\sqrt 3}3 = s^2 \cdot \frac{5 \sqrt 3 - 6}3. The area of octagon is s 2 s 2 5 3 6 3 = 9 ( 9 5 3 ) = a + b 3 . s^2 - s^2 \cdot \frac{5 \sqrt 3 - 6}3 = 9 \cdot (9 - 5 \sqrt 3) = a + b \sqrt 3. The solution is a + b = 9 ( 9 5 ) = 36 a+b = 9 \cdot (9-5) = 36 .

Aaaaaa Bbbbbb
Mar 29, 2014

[ I J K L M N O P ] = [ A H B ] 3 [ P H N ] [IJKLMNOP]=\frac{[AHB]}{3}-[PHN] H P H A = 1 2 + 3 = > [ P H N ] [ A H B ] = ( 1 2 + 3 ) 2 \frac{HP}{HA}=\frac{1}{2+\sqrt3}=>\frac{[PHN]}{[AHB]}=(\frac{1}{2+\sqrt3})^2 = > [ I J K L M N O P ] = [ P H N ] × ( 1 3 1 7 + 4 3 ) =>[IJKLMNOP]=[PHN] \times (\frac{1}{3}-\frac{1}{7+4\sqrt3}) = > [ I J K L M N O P ] = 9 3 ( 1 + 3 ) 7 + 4 3 = a + b 3 =>[IJKLMNOP]=\frac{9\sqrt3(1+\sqrt3)}{7+4\sqrt3}=a+b\sqrt3 = > 7 a + 12 b = 27 , 4 a + 7 b = 9 = > a = 81 , b = 45 = > a + b = 36 . =>7a+12b=27, 4a+7b=9 => a=81, b=-45 => a+b=\boxed{36}.

Marius Munteanu
Mar 24, 2014

Let X be the centre of the square ABCD.
F X K G X I \triangle FXK \equiv \triangle GXI ( K F X = 3 0 \angle KFX=30^\circ )
Let F X = x FX=x , then K X = F X / 3 = x 3 KX=FX/\sqrt{3} =\frac{x}{\sqrt{3}}
F G = x 2 FG=\frac{x}{\sqrt{2}}
J Y = F Y tan J F Y = F G / 2 tan 1 5 = x 2 2 ( 2 3 ) JY=FY \cdot \tan \angle JFY = FG/2 \tan15^\circ = \frac{ x \sqrt{2} } { 2 ( 2 - \sqrt{3} ) } .



AREA(XKJI) = 2Area(FXK) + Area(FJG) - Area(FXG) = 2∙x^2/(2√3) + 1/2 ∙(x√2)/2(2-√3)∙ x√2 - x^2/2 =
=x^2 [√3/3+1/2(2-√3)-1/2]=27/4(4-2√3)(1/2-√3/6)=1/4(81-45√3)
Area(Octagon)= 4∙ AREA(XKJI)= 81-45√3→a+b=36

Isn't this the same question as strange octagon which you published some time back?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Yes but I couldn't write(format) my solution for that one so I delete that one and write it again. Still the format of the solution is not as I would expected. I have written it in MsWord but it doesn't look too god. Any advice?

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Marius Munteanu - 7 years, 2 months ago

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We are working on easier ways to share images, so that you can just take a screenshot of your work.

Currently, the simplest approach would be to take a screenshot, upload it (on Imgur or Flickr) and then use markdown code of ! [title] (link) with spaces removed. I've edited your comment, so you can look at it as an example.

Though, MsWord is not ideal for displaying equations. We use Latex, which makes the equations pretty. You can read up on it in the Math formatting guide .

Note: I've moved your solution over, and deleted the duplicate question.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Hi, I went to Latex and then I copied the equations from there, but it didn't looked too nice because it was copying the code from the bottom of the page.

Another question is how I can modify the answer to a posted question if I realize something isn't right?

Thank you for you help and patience ! Regards, Marius

Marius Munteanu - 7 years, 2 months ago

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@Marius Munteanu I have edited the first line of your solution, to give you an example of how Latex works. I don't fully understand what you mean in the first paragraph. Let me know if this helps.

We are working on giving members more control over the problem. In the meantime, you can send me an email ([email protected]), or reply to the clarification/dispute emails, if you want to update the answer to the question.

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