A cylinder is kept on the edge of a very rough table such that the edge and the axis of the cylinder lie on the same vertical plane. At that instant, there occurs some disturbance that produce slight push on the cylinder. If
I : θ c is the angle through which the cylinder rotates before leaving the plane of the table
II : v c m is the speed of the centre of mass of the cylinder just before leaving the plane of the table
III : c is the ratio of the translation to rotational kinetic energies of the cylinder when its centre of mass is in the horizontal line of the edge.
Evaluate 7 cos θ c + v c m + c .
Details and Assumptions
Sufficient friction is present so that even a very small displacement causes rotation without slipping.
Radius of the cylinder R = 0 . 7 m .
Take g = 1 0 ms − 2 .
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It is a previous year iit question.
i study in fiitjee and it is in my fiitjee archive
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It is a 1995 IIT Subjective question.
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you also study in fiitjee???
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@Akash Singh – It seems I do! Yes
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@Akash Singh – Kochi Centre
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – @Akash singh Try Sippery Pulley and A Long Slipway
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – This Is The Original Method (Conventional One).Nice Work!! I Did It By Using ICR(Instantaneous Centre Of Rotation) It Reduced Some Calculation Work .
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@Prakhar Bindal – ICR should be the point of contact right?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Currently I Am Trying Your Problem Named "A Long Slipway"
@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yes You Are Right!!
@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yes that'll work but to get K E r o t and K E t r a n individually right...
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yes the individual energies can be calculated more quickly by using icr
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@Prakhar Bindal – Can you explain?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Once We Evaluate the angular velocity of the cylinder at the moment of leaving contact then as there will be no external torque the rotational kinetic energy will not change. only the change in translational kinetic energy will come due to the work done by gravity.
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@Prakhar Bindal – Ya! I meant you'll get K E r o t + K E t r a n till losing contact.
@Kishore S. Shenoy – You can try my problem https://brilliant.org/problems/rolling-on-a-movable-wedge/?group=zEXJPwhKmXoJ&ref_id=965112
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@Prakhar Bindal – Are you in FIITJEE?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yep in fiitjee east delhi!
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@Prakhar Bindal – I'm at Kochi.
Did you get the answer for long slipway?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Nope. but i will try till i do not get it
@Kishore S. Shenoy – So Are You In Sankalp Batch(CM Batch)?
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@Prakhar Bindal – No Pinnacle Batch. You?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – I am in sankalp
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@Prakhar Bindal – Hmm. and is that Sankalp Test meant for you batch along with us?
I did not write it since it had portions which were not taught.
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Well I Dont About other centres. but at our centre only the students of sankalp batch were allowed to sit for it . i scored really bad in physics in that test !
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@Prakhar Bindal – Yeah! I heard it was tough.
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yes It Was very very calculative and lengthy though the problems were not conceptually tough!
@Prakhar Bindal – Do you want hint for that slipway?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – I Will Not Hesitate in asking you if i dont get it in 2-3 days (till then i think i will be able to do it) :)
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@Prakhar Bindal – All the best! Try Slippery Pulley also!
@Kishore S. Shenoy – me too i am in pinnacle
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@Akash Singh – Oh! WoW. So, where did you reach... In portions? Phase 3? When is Phase exam for you?
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – 17 oct -phase 2 test
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@Akash Singh – Phase 2 or 3?? We have 3 then
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – you are too ahead then(phase 3)
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@Akash Singh – Oh wow! We have Phase 3 JEE Mains Tomorrow
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – so best of luck
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@Akash Singh – Thank you!
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – what is ur ai2ts-2 rank? and how was ur mains??
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@Akash Singh – Mains was ok. A boring phase it is, with Inorganic Chemistry. We (some people from our batch) had missed half of Phase 2 when we shifted to Fastrack Batch and A i 2 T S − 2 had portions that we missed. So, I do not hope to get a good rank... :(
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – what is fastrack batch?
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@Akash Singh – You don't have Fast Track batches?? Those are batches where portions are taken well ahead so that in the end we will have more than month for revision... I thought fastrack batches were present all over FIITJEE...
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Are Fast track and CM Batches Different??
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@Prakhar Bindal – Yup Cult Metamorphosis and Fastrack Batches are different indeed
@Kishore S. Shenoy – we have axis batch
@Kishore S. Shenoy – I Think Your Centre Does Not Follow The Plan That Has Been Setup For All FIITJEE Centres . Because Gaseous State Was There In Phase 1 As Far As I Remember . Are You Appearing In KVPY
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@Prakhar Bindal – WHAT!?! We had Basic Concepts of Chemistry, Redox Reactions and Titrations, and Atomic Structure for Phase 1. Chemical Bonding, Gaseous State and Thermodynamics and Thermochemistry for Phase 2. Yes, but I am not preparing for it well
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – OK . I Got It
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@Prakhar Bindal – Hey, I think FIITJEE Chennai Region follows this pattern...
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Yeah I Think So. Which Chapter Is Currently Being Taught To You (We Are Being Taught Binomial Theorem,Elasticity And Hydrocarbon)
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@Prakhar Bindal – Actually, our math faculty finished Inverse Trigonometry and Binomial Theoram in Phase 3(BT - Phase 4 and Inv Trig - Phase 5) and we finished Elasticity and SHM and Fluids ind Physics. We are now being taught Organic Chemistry(Don't know Hydrocarbons OR GOC"
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – Ohh Thats too good. You Are Even Ahead Than A CM Batch
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@Prakhar Bindal – But you are in Sankalp right! That is the best batch! Join Slack!
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – What is slack??
@Prakhar Bindal – Try this
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@Kishore S. Shenoy – The Problem Is A Bouncer . I Know Integration To The Extent It Is Required In Mechanics . :P
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@Prakhar Bindal – But it's easy, I say. Try doing parts! Check solution and upvote it :P
@Kishore S. Shenoy – The Phase Test Must Be The Internal One (Only on your centre) . because as far as i know the All India Phase 2 Is Scheduled On 8th November . Did You Gave AIITS-2 . How Much r u expecting ?
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@Prakhar Bindal – ai2ts rank-281(112 marks)
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@Akash Singh – AI2TS Rank - 26 (149 Marks P-63 , C-30,M-56 (Shit) )
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@Prakhar Bindal – I got Physics 63!! Hi five! But I did not know a thing in Gaseous state...All negative Chemistry 1. I forgot my math mark. My classmate got AIR 25. His Marks P-63, M-67, C-19(I'm not sure about Chemistry)
@Prakhar Bindal – what shit? i got p-43 c-23 m-48 (i have right to say shit not u!!)
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@Akash Singh – i Am Saying shit because i did two calculation errors in maths (Wrote square root of 32 as 4 ) which costed me 8 marks could have easily got 64 in maths :(
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@Prakhar Bindal – i see where i stand because i wrote 3+2=1
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@Akash Singh – Ha Ha . Its Quite Common Mistake To Do Wrong Arithmetic In Examination Hall. God Knows When Will I Learn To Overcome Then :P
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@Prakhar Bindal – still i have less scope of getting in top 50 (all i deserve is top 150 max)
@Prakhar Bindal – Can you please explain the ICR method?
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@A Former Brilliant Member – ICR method is employed to find out T r , I C R at the point of slip. Then used ω to find the T r , C M and finally conserve energy to get ratio.
But I got it from FIITJEE Archive 😂😜
Easy one !
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Conserving Energy,
m g R ( 1 − cos θ c ) Since it is performing pure rolling, ω ⇒ m g R ( 1 − cos θ c ) ⇒ v 2 = 2 1 m v 2 + 2 1 I ω 2 = R v = 4 2 m v 2 + m v 2 = 4 3 m v 2 = 3 4 g R ( 1 − cos θ c ) ⋯ ( 1 )
Now, for performing rotation,
m g cos θ c − N = R m v 2
When the contact is lost, N = 0
⇒ g R cos θ c = v 2 ⋯ ( 2 )
( 1 ) ⇒ g R cos θ c = ( 2 ) = 3 4 g R ( 1 − cos θ c ) ⇒ cos θ c = 7 4
v c m = v = g R cos θ c = 7 4 g R = 7 4 × 1 0 × 0 . 7 = 2 v c m = 2
K E t r a n when leaving K E r o t When the axis Hence K E t r a n Hence R a t i o = 2 1 m v c m 2 = 2 1 m g R cos θ c = 4 2 m g R cos θ c = 4 1 2 m R 2 ( R v ) 2 = 4 1 m g R cos θ c of the cylinder is in horizontal line of the edge, Δ h = R cos θ c = K E 0 t r a n s + m g Δ h = 4 2 m g R cos θ c + m g R cos θ c = 4 6 m g R cos θ c = 6 c = 6
∴ 7 cos θ c + v c m + c = 4 + 2 + 6 = 1 2