Accelerating train

A train moving at constant acceleration passes by a pink pole near the track. The front end of the train passes the pole going 40 km/hr , 40 \text{ km/hr}, and then the back end of the train passes it going 80 km/hr . 80 \text{ km/hr}.

What was the speed at which the middle of the train passed the pole?

Exactly at 60 km/h 60 \text{ km/h} Faster than 60 km/h 60 \text{ km/h} Slower than 60 km/h 60 \text{ km/h}

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8 solutions

Rafael Gc
Jul 29, 2018

Constant acceleration means that speed increments by the same amount per unit time. Because it is accelerating, it takes the train more time to pass the pole between the front and the middle than between the middle and the end. Therefore, more time spent means the speed increase must be greater, and so when the middle of the train passes the pole it must be moving faster than 60 km/h

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I reached the opposite conclusion by the following reasoning. The train is accelerating. After passing the pole, it is going faster than it was before it passed the pole. It takes less time to cover the distance of half the train length after passing the pole. It takes more time to cover the distance of half the train before reaching the pole. Therefore before reaching the pole, its average speed was less than 60 miles per hour.

Now I see my mistake. The average speed could be less than 60 miles per hour while the speed at the pole could be greater than 60 miles per hour.

Kermit Rose - 2 years, 10 months ago

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I did the same mistake.

ML C - 2 years, 10 months ago
Mark Hennings
Jul 29, 2018

If the train's acceleration is a a , and the train's length is 2 s 2s , and if its speed at the half-way mark is v v , then 8 0 2 4 0 2 = 2 a × 2 s = 4 a s v 2 4 0 2 = 2 a × s = 2 a s 80^2 - 40^2 \; = \; 2a \times 2s \; = \; 4as \hspace{2cm} v^2 - 40^2 \; = \; 2a \times s \; = \; 2as so that 8 0 2 4 0 2 = 2 ( v 2 4 0 2 ) 80^2 - 40^2 = 2(v^2 - 40^2) , and hence v 2 = 1 2 ( 8 0 2 + 4 0 2 ) = 4000 v^2 = \tfrac12(80^2 + 40^2) = 4000 , so that v = 20 10 > 60 v = 20\sqrt{10} > 60 . Note that we are using kilometres as the unit of distance, and hours as the unit of time.

Can you explain the first equation?

80^2 - 40^2 = 4as

Greg Grapsas - 2 years, 10 months ago

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If a particle is travelling under constant acceleration a a , with starting velocity u u , ending velocity v v , taking time t t to experience a displacement s s , then there are five equations that hold. s = u t + 1 2 a t 2 s = v t 1 2 a t 2 s = 1 2 t ( u + v ) v = u + a t v 2 = u 2 + 2 a s \begin{aligned} s&=\; ut +\tfrac12at^2\\ s&=\;vt-\tfrac12at^2\\ s&=\;\tfrac12t(u+v)\\ v&=\;u+at\\ v^2&=\;u^2+2as\end{aligned} I am using the last of these.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Thank you for the explanation.

Greg Grapsas - 2 years, 10 months ago

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@Greg Grapsas You can see it also as equality of potential energy (m * a * 2s) and cinetic energy (0.5 * m (v^2 - u^2))

Hamza Senhaji Rhazi - 2 years, 10 months ago

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@Hamza Senhaji Rhazi Yes . Thank you

Greg Grapsas - 2 years, 10 months ago

@Hamza Senhaji Rhazi Well, actually it is the change in kinetic energy 1 2 m ( v 2 u 2 ) \tfrac12m(v^2-u^2) which is equal to the work done m a × s ma \times s by the force m a ma producing the constant acceleration.

Mark Hennings - 2 years, 10 months ago

Nice work.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 10 months ago

Good use of one of the linear velocity with constant acceleration equations. I would love to see Arjen Vreugdenhil chime in on this one; I love to see his work also..

Monty McGee - 2 years, 10 months ago
W Kocken
Jul 29, 2018

Constant acceleration means the amount of energy used to make the train go faster is the same the whole time the train is speeding up. However we know that resistance becomes higher (from wind and wheels against the track) at higher speeds. So the train must be going faster than 60 km/h at the halfway point to be able to reach 80 km/h in the the remainder of the time.

bro. Pass the joint.

Siddharth Jindal - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Best reply ever!!!!!

Guy Van Kerckhoven - 2 years, 10 months ago

Worst answer

Achyut Dhiman - 2 years, 10 months ago

Resistance is not taking any role here

Ottorino Ori - 2 years, 10 months ago

Is this solution valid? I am so confused...

Simon The Great - 2 years, 10 months ago

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the argument is flawless. The pattern is like this. Some horses are brown. Some shoes are brown. Therefore, some horses are shoes.

Martin Gala - 2 years, 10 months ago

"Constant acceleration" presumably takes any air resistance into effect. It's a statement about the change in velocity, not a statment about the force being applied to the vehicle.

Richard Desper - 2 years, 10 months ago

Can this be discribed with a simple curve or wave sign to visualise it? I keep thinking of a sign wave. Does that apply for cummulative acceleration?

Martyn Clark - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Sure it can... for any fraction x of the length of the train, the speed v will be v = v 1 2 + ( v 2 2 v 1 2 ) × x v = \sqrt {v_1^2 + (v_2^2-v_1^2) \times x} , which graphs to:

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago

Here is a solution which is not original.

Because the train is accelerating constantly, it must be under the action of constant force. But this means the work done by the train grows in proportion with the distance traveled, since it is simply the product of the force applied with the distance. This work is converted to kinetic energy. So, that means the kinetic energy halfway through is exactly halfway between the initial and final kinetic energies.

Cancelling masses on both sides, we have v = 1 2 ( 4 0 2 + 8 0 2 ) v= \sqrt{\frac{1}{2}(40^2 + 80^2)} , which by power mean inequality , is larger than 60.

Vinod Kumar
Jul 30, 2018

In the accelerated train, the speed at middle point is given by

√[(u^2+v^2)/2] > [(u+v)/2]

i.e. 63.245 > 60.0

Where u=40.0 and v=80.0 are initial and final speeds, respectively.

Try using Latex

Syed Hamza Khalid - 2 years, 10 months ago

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u 2 + v 2 2 > u + v 2 \sqrt\frac{u^2+v^2}2>\frac{u+v}2

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago

it's just a trick question relying on people to confuse velocity and acceleration. we don't really know what speed is or how a 'filmstrip' view of relativistic objects works, only that it more or less works in our day to day reality.

Eric Roberts
Jun 7, 2019

Since the question isn't strictly asking for a specific speed ( only a comparison to the average speed ), we don't need to calculate.

Over the first half of the journey the train will experience an acceleration over some time t t and will achieve a change in velocity of Δ v \Delta v . Over the second half of the journey, the train will accelerate over some time less than t t because of:

1) It has a higher average velocity than the first leg

2) traveling over the same distance.

Thus, the train will experience a change in velocity of Δ v ϵ \Delta v - \epsilon over the second half of the journey. Adding up the total change in velocity to the initail velocity and equating it to the final velocity we have:

v o + Δ v + ( Δ v ϵ ) = v f \displaystyle v_o + \Delta v + ( \Delta v - \epsilon ) = v_f

Where,

Δ v = v L 2 v o \displaystyle \Delta v = v_{\frac{L}{2}} - v_o

v o + ( v L 2 v o ) + ( v L 2 v o ϵ ) = v f \displaystyle v_o + (v_{\frac{L}{2}} - v_o) + (v_{\frac{L}{2}} - v_o - \epsilon) = v_f

Combining like terms and solving for v L 2 v_{\frac{L}{2}} ( absorbing the factor of 1/2 into ϵ \epsilon in the second term fro simplicity )

v L 2 = v f + v o 2 + ϵ \displaystyle v_{\frac{L}{2}} = \frac{v_f + v_o}{2} + \epsilon

The first term is the average velocity, and we can see the speed of the train at position L 2 \frac{L}{2} is greater than it by some amount ϵ > 0 \epsilon > 0

Aramaan Meher
Aug 5, 2018

Let length of train be 2l. Let midpoint of train passes by speed v. Then,applying equations of motion , v^2-40^2=2al(for first half) And 80^2-v^2=2al(2nd half) So, 2v^2=6400+1600 V^2=4000 V=20√10. -Biswaranjan

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