Adiabatics everywhere!

We consider the case of a sound wave propagating in air.

Note that Laplace correction applies to the considered wave and that the processes are adiabatic in all respects.

The source is located at sea level and the detector at a height of x=10km from the surface.

Find the time taken for the sound to reach the detector.

Data-adiabatic exponent of air=5/3.

Take the molecular mass to be 29g/mol of air.T(at sea level)=0 Celsius.

R=8.314 JK^-1mol^-1.

Consider the adiabatic expansion of air as well.


The answer is 32.588.

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Spandan Senapati
Feb 19, 2017

Relevant wiki: First Law of Thermodynamics

The point here is that the temperature of air won't be constant.The expansion being an adiabatic process we can compute the lapse rate(fall of temperature d T dT with heigh d z dz ).Here is a way to do it.as usual for an adiabatic process d Q = p d V + n ( C v ) d T = 0 dQ=pdV+n(Cv)dT=0 and from ideal gas law P V = n R T PV=nRT .So one can write d V = d ( n R T / P ) = ( n R / P 2 ) ( P d T T d P ) dV=d(nRT/P)=(nR/P^2)(PdT-TdP) .putting in the equation and using d P = u g d z dP=-ugdz where u is the density air or d P = ( P M / R T ) g d z dP=-(PM/RT)gdz .yields dT/dz=(Mg/R)(\(\gamma -1)/ γ \gamma ).Now we move to Laplace equation v=√\(yRT/M) or dz/dt=√\(Ry/M(To-(Mg/R)((\gamma -1)/ γ \gamma *z).now that we have the differential we may integrate it to obtain the required ans.Its worth noting that it differs from the usual methods technique by abt. 17.7 17.7 percent.As the height given is quite large as compared to everydays examples such variations do occur.Note that y is the adiabatic exponent. γ \gamma

It would be good if you can split your paragraph into multiple paragraphs. That will allow the others to read and follow your solution more easily.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Can you tell how its done in a phone

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Press the enter twice.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years, 3 months ago

Oh I would be pleased to.Can I know how its to be done in a phone.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

Seriously level 3????

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

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This is definitely not a level 3 problem

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 3 months ago

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By the way , use \gamma for denoting γ \gamma (adiabatic exponent) to avoid confusions

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Sumanth R Hegde Lol!!!I do it in my phone and I don't have that option for gamma.even I was surprised when I saw that it was level 3.Probably they thought of that the velocity is constant and so t=d/v.Which I mentioned(the correct answer is 17.7 percent. More)

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati Actually even I am using my phone. That's quite strange. \gamma enclosed in \( and /) results in γ \gamma without any problem.

Probably they thought velocity is constant

Might be. Anyways if you are on the slack team, you can quickly notify them about this

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Sumanth R Hegde Oh thanx.I will do.It worked well now.Even you can try another problem"pursuit and chase".It has got only 1 solver since 7months and its a level 3 q.its in my timeline.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati Will do. Btw, I have notified them slack about the problem.

Sumanth R Hegde - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Sumanth R Hegde https://brilliant.org/problems/pursuit-and-chase/?ref_id=1245982.Thanks.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 3 months ago

I mean what was that?!!

A huge Differential equation... WOW!

I did the 1st part of the question before, that is find the pressure variation with height in an adiabatic atmosphere , I guess it was an INPHO question,

And Next part was again writing v = d h d t v=\dfrac{dh}{dt} and then integrate, and put the values.

(TRUELY speaking, I had a very tough time putting the values :P )

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Isnt it @Spandan Senapati Bhaiya?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Aaron Jerry Ninan . Did you did it like me?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Md Zuhair What did you do?

Aaron Jerry Ninan - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Aaron Jerry Ninan Hey can u plz come at WhatsApp... I need to talk to u any idea organic qs

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

Yup. That's right

Spandan Senapati - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati Hey bhaiya, Can I any way get your contact , like email or mobile contact? Thanks :D

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Md Zuhair If you want my wapp then sorry.Ive put down my phone until jee.mail [email protected]

Spandan Senapati - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati Thanks Bhaiya. I hope you open the hangouts in there?

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Md Zuhair Yeah not very often, but I do.Jee is just 2 months ahead so after that I'll give u my wapp no.

All the best...

Spandan Senapati - 3 years, 3 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati Okay , thanks! :D . I have very high expectations from you for JEE Adv. 2k18 . You one of the best students from brilliant in the batch of 2018.

All the best!

Dont forget us after reaching IIT. :D

Md Zuhair - 3 years, 3 months ago

i did it using S.H.M type of a thing lol :P temperature of air won't be constant. let i move up an x-distance and move additional dx how would temperature change ? first use pv^(5/3)=k considering a sphere of radius x with additional dx radius extension , then t^5/3=Cp^2/3..........if u do it like this temperature change deltaT=T(2/3)*dx/x .......now it can be done easily, nice Q. hope u r happy now @Spandan Senapati coz the Q is lvl 5 now :P btw how much time it took u to solve ?

Good.You thought of a similar situation.I got the very theme from a topic "Brunt Vaisala Oscillations". And just thought of extending it.Ya It took me a lot time since I had solved this q when I was in class 10(Not this one but the Oscillations one).

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

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u can upvote then ;p btw i don't think it's related to Brunt Vaisala Oscillations

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 2 months ago

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not much but the sorts of calc that we do there like lapse rates etc canbe useful.....Upvoted.Also do mine

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

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@Spandan Senapati done lol tit for tat huh ?

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 2 months ago

And yes I am happy........Do you think this is a level 3 q...

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

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ofcourse not :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 2 months ago

Excellent question @Spandan Senapati How do you get such wondeful ideas!!

Aniswar S K - 4 years, 2 months ago

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I don't know exactly.But its practice...A very similar prob was asked a few yrs back in inpho.On oscillations of a balloon.And I just thought of extending the idea..And this problem is a standard model of the adiabatic approximations that are quite frequent in nature

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

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