Algebra or Number Theory?

( n 2 + 2 n + 2 ) ( n 3 + 4 n 2 + 4 n 14 ) \big(n^2 + 2n + 2\big) \, \Big| \, \big(n^3 + 4n^2 + 4n - 14\big) Find the sum of all integers n n such that the above holds true.


Notation: a b a \mid b means a a is a factor of b b .


The answer is -11.

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2 solutions

Sharky Kesa
Feb 13, 2017

Using long division for polynomials, we find that

n 3 + 4 n 2 + 4 n 14 = ( n 2 + 2 n + 2 ) ( n + 2 ) + ( 2 n 18 ) n^3 + 4n^2 + 4n - 14 = (n^2 + 2n + 2)(n + 2) + (-2n - 18)

In order for n 2 + 2 n + 2 n^2 + 2n + 2 to divide n 3 + 4 n 2 + 4 n 14 n^3 + 4n^2 + 4n - 14 , it must also divide the remainder:

n 2 + 2 n + 2 ( 2 n 18 ) . n^2 + 2n + 2 \mid (-2n - 18).

The only way that this is possible is either when 2 n 18 n 2 + 2 n + 2 | - 2n - 18| ≥ |n^2 + 2n + 2| or when 2 n 18 = 0 -2n-18 = 0 . In the first case, this inequality only holds when 4 n 4 -4 \le n \le 4 .

We test all n n within this range, and determine that the values of n which work are n = 4 , 2 , 1 , 0 , 1 , 4 n = -4, -2, -1, 0, 1, 4 . In the second case, we additionally find that n = 9 n = -9 works. Therefore, the sum is 11 \boxed{-11} .

Moderator note:

The case with 2 n 18 = 0 -2n-18=0 allowing n = 9 n=-9 here is extremely easy to miss. One question that should always be asked when division occurs is "what about zero?"

To clarify the point about the case 2 n 18 n 2 + 2 n + 2 , | - 2n - 18| ≥ |n^2 + 2n + 2|, it simply indicates for non-zero a a to be divisible by b b it's required that a > b . |a| > |b| .

some parentheses around the polynomials would have been useful or maybe a clearer phrasing of the question "What is the sum of the integral values of n for which the second polynomial evenly divides the first"

Mary Hahn - 4 years, 3 months ago

The question should be clarified in that there's nothing to say the division has to result in an integer .

Geoff Collinson - 4 years, 3 months ago

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No it shouldn't. if a | b, then it follows by definition that a,b,c are integers satisfying ac = b, with c non-zero.

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Yes it should . Not everyone is blessed with the same degree of mathematical knowledge .

Geoff Collinson - 4 years, 3 months ago

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@Geoff Collinson The problem statement has been edited to make it clear that a a is a factor of b b .

If the division doesn't have to result in an integer, then a | b would be always true. An operator that is always true wouldn't be of much use.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 3 months ago

This problem can be solved using cubic discriminant too! Want to give it a try?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 3 months ago

follow everything except when the absolute value sign is introduced....

Danh Le - 4 years, 3 months ago

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What don't you understand?

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 3 months ago

Could you add the meaning of the | symbol? I had to skip the question...

Sean Bourelle - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Is this better?

Sharky Kesa - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Great clarification, thanks!

Sean Bourelle - 4 years, 3 months ago

May I ask why you can't simply perform long division, set the remainder to zero 9 { -9 } , add to that the factor just found 9 , 2 { -9, -2 } , then (of course) check to make sure the quadratic divisor does not have any real monomial factors?

I mean, I understand there is a bit more work involved from an analytic perspective, but if the problem already sets forth integers as the desirable outcome (a subset of the real numbers already), then is the more rigorous approach necessary?

Joshua Nesseth - 4 years, 3 months ago

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If you feel like you have a better solution, you are welcome to add it to the problem!

Jason Dyer Staff - 4 years, 3 months ago

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The solution is similar; the problem is I came about it without nearly as much rigorous work.

My question was an honest one--specifically, where does the naïveté of my solution arise? I am almost certain (after attempting to formally explicate it) that my correct response may have been happy accident.

Joshua Nesseth - 4 years, 3 months ago

Did the same thing just I forgot about the remainder =0 and my answer was -2.

Marius Munteanu - 4 years, 3 months ago

My answer is -10 (:

I Gede Arya Raditya Parameswara - 4 years, 3 months ago
Mark Hennings
Feb 13, 2017

Since n 3 + 4 n 2 + 4 n 14 = ( n + 2 ) ( n 2 + 2 n + 2 ) 2 ( n + 9 ) n^3 + 4n^2 + 4n - 14 \; = \; (n+2)(n^2 + 2n + 2) - 2(n+9) we see that n 2 + 2 n + 2 n^2 + 2n + 2 divides n 3 + 4 n 2 + 4 n 14 n^3 + 4n^2 + 4n - 14 precisely when n 2 + 2 n + 2 n^2 + 2n + 2 divides 2 ( n + 9 ) 2(n+9) , and so there must exist an integer k k such that k ( n 2 + 2 n + 2 ) = 2 ( n + 9 ) k n 2 + 2 ( k 1 ) n + 2 ( k 9 ) = 0 ( k n + k 1 ) 2 = ( k 1 ) 2 2 k ( k 9 ) = 65 ( k 8 ) 2 \begin{aligned} k(n^2+ 2n + 2) & = 2(n+9) \\ kn^2 + 2(k-1)n + 2(k-9) & = 0 \\ (kn + k-1)^2 & = (k-1)^2 - 2k(k-9) \; = \; 65 - (k-8)^2 \end{aligned} The only ways to write 65 65 as a sum of two squares are 65 = 8 2 + 1 2 = 7 2 + 4 2 65 = 8^2 + 1^2 = 7^2 + 4^2 . There are four cases to consider:

  • If k 8 = 1 |k-8| =1 , then either k = 9 k=9 and 9 n + 8 = 8 |9n+8| = 8 , or else k = 7 k=7 and 7 n + 6 = 8 |7n+6|=8 . The only solution in the first case is n = 0 n=0 , and the only solution in the second case is n = 2 n=-2 .
  • If |(|k-8|=4), then either k = 12 k=12 and 12 n + 11 = 7 |12n+11| = 7 , or else k = 4 k=4 and 4 k + 3 = 7 |4k+3| = 7 . The first case has no solutions, and the only solution of the second case is n = 1 n=1 .
  • If k 8 = 7 |k-8|=7 , then either k = 15 k=15 and 15 n + 14 = 4 |15n+14|=4 , or else k = 1 k=1 and n = 4 |n|=4 . The first case has no solutions, and the second case has the solutions n = ± 4 n = \pm4 .
  • If k 8 = 8 |k-8|=8 , then either k = 16 k=16 and 16 n + 15 = 1 |16n+15|=1 , or else k = 0 k=0 , in which case the original equation is just 2 ( n + 9 ) = 0 2(n+9)=0 , and so n = 9 n=-9 . The first case has n = 1 n=-1 as a solution.

Thus the answer is ( 9 ) + ( 4 ) + ( 2 ) + ( 1 ) + 0 + 1 + 4 = 11 (-9) + (-4) + (-2) + (-1) + 0 + 1 + 4 = \boxed{-11} .

can't follow the progression from the 2nd to the third line in the "there must be exist an integer k such that" step....also lost in that third line as well. somehow there were no k^2 previous to line 3, but all of a sudden there are (if you square the binomials)

Danh Le - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Multiply by k k and complete the square.

Mark Hennings - 4 years, 3 months ago

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there's a lot of manipulation and experience that is "hidden" in those two lines. i'm not there yet with my number theory but thanks for the input!

Danh Le - 4 years, 3 months ago

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