All monkeys are squirrels? (Mathathon Problem 2)

Logic Level 1

You know the following -

  1. All squirrels are rodents.
  2. All rodents are monkeys

So from this information, can you say that all monkeys are squirrels?

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19 solutions

Julie Éthier
Mar 22, 2021

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 The gif is very smooth and clear
Ingenuity 2/5 Venn diagrams and set theory used, but not explained much
Total 12/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 You are an expert of moving images in a loop which continue to x where x = lim y 0 1 y \text{You are an expert of moving images in a loop which continue to } x \text{ where } x= \displaystyle \lim_{y ➝ 0} \frac 1y !
Ingenuity 2/5 Self explanatory Venn diagrams with beautiful pictures
Total 12/15 Great job! Percy might update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I AM a gif expert! lol But each time I have to redo them from the start because my first draft is usually >> 10Mo...

Julie Éthier - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Ok sorry, lemme rephrase that

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Oskar Dobroczek
Mar 22, 2021

First, let's formulate these statements. If S S is the set of all squirrels, M M is the set of all monkeys, R R is the set of all rodents and a a is an animal that could be in any one of those sets, we get a S a R a R a M . \begin{aligned} a\in S &\implies a\in R\\ a\in R &\implies a\in M. \end{aligned} From which we can immediately conclude that a S a M a\in S \implies a\in M . So every squirrel has to be a monkey. Note though, that these are implications, not equivalences. If they were equivalences (meaning a S a M a M a S a\in S\implies a\in M\;\wedge\; a\in M\implies a\in S ), then we could conclude that all monkeys are squirrels. Look at this Venn-Diagram to see what I mean:

You can immediately see that there are monkeys that are neither squirrel nor rodent.

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Proper latex has been used and venn diagram makes it simpler
Ingenuity 5/5 Set theory, set notation and the venn diagram blended nicely
Total 15/15 Mind-blowing performance! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Nice solution! I misread the problem :(

Vinayak Srivastava - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Answer flows like honey (we are not gonna have an argument over that again Percy)
Ingenuity 5/5 Set theory and the Venn diagram are perfectly used
Total 15/15 Marvellous! Percy might update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Ok, flows like honey, not gonna argue :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Atin Gupta
Mar 23, 2021

All squirrels are rodents Squirrels ∈ Rodents \text{All squirrels are rodents} \Rightarrow \text{Squirrels ∈ Rodents}

All rodents are monkeys Rodents ∈ Monkeys \text{All rodents are monkeys} \Rightarrow \text{Rodents ∈ Monkeys}

Hence, the answer is No , since the monkeys in the red-and-blue area aren’t squirrels, and the ones in blue aren’t even rodents. \boxed{\text{No}} \text{, since the monkeys in the red-and-blue area aren't squirrels, and the ones in blue aren't even rodents.}

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Diagrams, set theories, good
Total 13/15 Great job! I'm sorry about my vagueness but I'm running out of things to say!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Yeah you forgot how to add too

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Percy Jackson

Accuracy 0/5 5+5+3=13≠10
Readability 5/5 Table format
Ingenuity 0/5 Same approach
Total 5/15 Its fine...

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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lol I was in hurry, copy pasted but forgot to change the 10

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Nice diagrams
Total 12/15 Great job! I'm sorry about my copyness but I’m running out of things to say

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Sundar R
Mar 26, 2021

This is a classic syllogism where , through transitivity, All p's are q's and All q's are r's can be combined into All p's are r's. In this case, this leads to : All p's are r's. But this does not imply the converse, that is all monkeys are squirrels. In fact, even the converse of the second statement is not true in general, i.e. All monkeys are rodents is not true in general. It is true that some monkeys are rodents and some rodents are squirrels but they may be disjoint sets.

Kevin Long
Mar 24, 2021

Let's call the set of squirrels S S , the set of rodents R R , and the set of monkeys M M . From the problem, we have S R S∈R , and R M R∈M . From this, we can construct a Venn diagram; I can leave a space between the circles because the problem didn't state that all rodents are squirrels, and that all monkeys are rodent. From the Venn diagram, we can easily see that there is some space between the rodent's circle and the monkey's circle, which must mean that there is some creature that is a monkey, but not a rodent or a squirrel, so therefore, the answer is N o \boxed{No}

Sorry for the blue line

Kevin Long - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Nice blue line, Percy will love it(You explained why you can leave a space clearly)
Total 13/15 Great job! Add red lines too next time (my fav colour is red)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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5+5+3=12, proven by the person I'm replying too.

Kevin Long - 2 months, 1 week ago
Jeff Giff
Mar 24, 2021

Let S , R , M S,R,M notate the set for squirrels, rodents and monkeys. Then we have S R , R M . S M . S\in R, R\in M. ~~~\therefore S\in M. I can therefore conclude all squirrels are monkeys (what?!). But the question asks whether all monkeys are squirrels, which is whether M S M\in S .
Since we have S M S\in M already, either M S M\in S is true and M = S M=S or M S M\in S is false and M S M\neq S .
We cannot be sure, so the answer is NO. This Venn diagram may help :)



Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Nice diagrams, extra marks for the ellipse used kidding \color{#FFFFFF}\colorbox{#FFFFFF}{\text{kidding}}
Total 12/15 Great job!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Siddhesh Umarjee
Mar 23, 2021

Terminologies in Set Theory

Elements : Objects belonging to a set

Subset : If all elements from a set (say A) are also element of another set (say B), then A is subset of B. It is denoted as

A ⊆ B

  1. All S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} are R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} . From this we can conclude that the set of all S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} is a subset of the set of all R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} i.e. S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} .

  2. All R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} are M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} . From this we can conclude that the set of all R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} is a subset of the set of all M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} i.e. R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} .

Conclusion

S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} R o d e n t s \color{#CEBB00}{Rodents} M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} (this is represented by the Venn Diagram).

From this it is clear that, with given information, though all S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} are M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} , all M o n k e y s \color{#20A900}{Monkeys} are not S q u i r r e l s \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrels} . (Considering all sets are not equal)

E.g. M o n k e y \color{#20A900}{Monkey} represented by point A on Venn Diagram is not a S q u i r r e l \color{#3D99F6}{Squirrel} .

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 4/5 Set theory explained well and diagram given
Total 14/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 4/5 Set theory has been explained well
Total 14/15 Great job! I'm sorry about my copyness but I’m running out of things to say

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Aditya Mittal
Mar 22, 2021

First let's look at an analogy:

  1. All Natural Numbers(N) are Whole Numbers(W). This does not mean that all whole numbers are natural numbers. For example, 0 is a whole number but not a natural number.

  2. All Whole Numbers(W) are Integers(Z). Similarly all negative integers are not whole numbers.

So, all natural numbers are integers but all integers are not natural numbers(-2,-4,0 etc.) \(\textcolor{white}{\text{Venn diagram representation}}\) Venn diagram representation \textcolor{#FFFFFF}{\text{Venn diagram representation}}

Similarly, we infer from the information given that all squirrels are monkeys, but monkeys are not squirrels. all monkeys are <strong>not</strong> squirrels all monkeys are not squirrels

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 4/5 Good analogy of number theory and venn digrams given
Total 14/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Its clear, but not very easy to understand
Ingenuity 3/5 Nice use of analogy
Total 13/15 Great job! Percy might update you score on the members and points note! (might)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Avner Lim
Mar 22, 2021

Image Image Since all squirrels are only part of the group of monkeys, and there are other monkeys which are not squirrels, the answer is N o \boxed{No} .

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Venn diagram
Total 12/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Very clear and only 30 wordish to read
Ingenuity 3/5 Concise but complete
Total 13/15 Great job! Percy will update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Zakir Husain
Mar 22, 2021

S = { x : x i s a s q u i r r e l } \red{S=\{x:x\space is\space a\space squirrel\}} R = { x : x i s a r o d e n t } \blue{R=\{x:x\space is\space a\space rodent\}} M = { x : x i s a m o n k e y } M=\{x:x\space is\space a\space monkey\} p : A l l s q u i r r e l s a r e r o d e n t s . \red{p:All\space squirrels\space are\space rodents.} q : A l l r o d e n t s a r e m o n k e y s \blue{q:All\space rodents\space are\space monkeys} p S R p\Rightarrow S\subseteq R q R M \red{q\Rightarrow R\subseteq M} p a n d q S M \blue{\Rightarrow p \space and\space q\Rightarrow S\subseteq M} ( x M x S ) \cancel{\Rightarrow} (x\in M\Rightarrow x\in S) n o t a l l m o n k e y s a r e s q u i r r e l \Rightarrow \boxed{not \space all\space monkeys\space are\space squirrel} H e n c e t h e a n s w e r i s N O Hence\space the\space answer\space is\space \boxed{NO}

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Set theory used very well
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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Set theory used very well
Total 13/15 Great job! I can’t update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Omek K
Mar 22, 2021

First from set theory we can call all squirrels as rodents, and all rodents as monkeys. Now the population of rodents(includes squirrels) can't exceed the population of monkeys because rodents is subset of monkeys (A subset value never exceeds that of its set), a similar statement can be said for squirrels (subset) and rodents (set)

There will be 4 cases because there nothing mentioned about the population.

  • When population of each animal is different.
  • When only population of rodents and squirrels are equal.
  • When all 3 have same population.
  • When only population of rodents and monkeys are equal.

These are respective Venn Diagrams. These are respective Venn Diagrams.

From the Venn diagrams, we can see that we can't necessarily tell that all monkeys are squirrels. Therefore ans is N o o o o o . . . . . . . \red{Nooooo.......}

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 4/5 Venn diagram is used, and all possible cases are considered
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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Percy Jackson there is small mistake 5+5+4 = 14 not 13

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Done, I was in a hurry, sorry

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Hey Percy I think I missed 1 case can I add that case in the solution

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Omek K Yes, but score will not be changed.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Ok and thank you

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

What about the case when only population of rodents and monkeys are equal? Is this impossible?

Saya Suka - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I guess I missed that case

Omek K - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Nice case by case analysis
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Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Morris Pearl
Mar 22, 2021

Given S q u i r r e l s r o d e n t s Squirrels \subset rodents and r o d e n t s m o n k e y s rodents \subset monkeys We can conclude that s q u i r r e l s m o n k e y s squirrels \subset monkeys because subset is a transitive relationship, but we can not conclude that m o n k e y s s q u i r r e l s monkeys \subset squirrels . Although the given statements do not rule out all three sets being exactly the same, we can not conclude that that is the case.

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Set theory used
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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Set theory used
Total 12/15 Great job! I will not update your score on the members and points note!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Sarah Alam
Mar 22, 2021

All squirrels are rodents

This statement tells us that every squirrel is a rodent.

This does not necessarily mean that every rodent is a squirrel. Squirrels are only one of the things that are rodents. For example, all rats are rodents, and so are the squirrels. It doesn’t mean that squirrels are rats.

Here is the diagram:

Rats are now not part of this anymore, we move on to the next statement.

All rodents are monkeys

If all rodents are monkeys, this makes the amount of monkeys equal or more than the amount of rodents. The statements do not say that all monkeys are rodents.

Squirrels = or < Rodents = or < Monkeys

This also suggests that all squirrels are also monkeys. Why that is, I don’t know, but that’s the idea.

N o t Not a l l all m o n k e y s monkeys a r e are s q u i r r e l s squirrels

(Irl, no monkeys are squirrels, and no squirrels are monkeys. I think)

Hi @Sarah Alam ! Did you make solutions for the other problems as well?

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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One of them, I’m going to do the others soon, I’m just preparing for a big exam. You’ll get them soon.

Sarah Alam - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Everything is clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 Diagrams, set theory, good
Total 13/15 Great job! I am really running out of things to say!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 4/5 Some rats could have been squirrels
Readability 5/5 Its clear and readable
Ingenuity 3/5 I like the rat added
Total 12/15 Great job! Percy is running out of things to say just like me

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Agent T
Mar 22, 2021

Let R be the set of all rodents,

S be the set of all squirrels and

T be the set of all monkeys

According to the first statement,

All Squirrels are rodents

=> Squirrels lie in the power set of rodents I.e. squirrels are a part of the set of all rodents i.e,

S ∈ R

Also,since S is a part of R ,the opposite( R ∈ S ) is not true.

Our next statement says,

All rodents are monkeys.

=> Rodents lie in the power set of monkeys I.e. rodents are a part of the set of all monkeys i.e,

R ∈ T

Again,the opposite isn't true

Venn Diagram Venn Diagram

Hence,

The biggest set is that of monkeys' in which lies the set of rodents (smaller than that of monkeys' but bigger than squirrels') in which lies the set of squirrels

As you can clearly SEE , ALL MONKEYS ARE NOT SQUIRRELS ……ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 Everything is clear, can't say very readable tho
Ingenuity 1/5 A touch of set theory
Total 10/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Is the Venn diagram clearly visible?just confirming

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I can't see it

Kevin Long - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Thanks :) I'll try to fix it asap

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 Its clear, but not very easy to understand
Ingenuity 1/5 I like the ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
Total 10/15 Great job!

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Can u please tell how do I fix the image issues?

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Please help:'(

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

If possible can you put down the link of the image here

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez Here it is:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ULPCX2icqSicwnURqWmAPPrTl2h3YG1v/view?usp=drivesdk,thanks

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

@Jason Gomez Use this link instead https://ds055uzetaobb.cloudfront.net/uploads/QKplxx7ru6-142ea7cc-c9d2-4890-9ef9-6f451b026ec2.jpeg

I screenshoted it and got through the normal brilliant way of posting pictures

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez Thank you ! Though the image wasn't mine,I learnt something.BTW I've put the link so I think it's fine,you need not change ur marks and all:)

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Agent T @Percy Jackson Are they doing this on purpose ??

@Tanya Adlakha Please don’t call me sir, I am literally as old as you

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez They have to be doing it on purpose. I'm sure its clear we're teens because of our humor.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member my spirit animal is monkey that's why I am respectful :)

Okay @Jason Gomez,I won't call u sir,will call u kiddo from now on ^_^

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Agent T That will be greatly appreciated

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

@Jason Gomez Well mental age matters ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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@Agent T Damn it, can’t argue against kiddo now

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez Just kidding,I won't :P

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Newton Kayode
Mar 22, 2021

Squirrels are in the set of rodents and rodents are in the set of monkeys but monkeys are an independent set being inside no-one As you can see inside the venn diagram,

Uh...I can clearly see that you just posted Oskar's venn diagram... @Jason Gomez What do we do about this?

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Maybe a negative in ingenuity?

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I've given my scores...

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 2/5 Statements are accurate, but answer isn't given or explained
Readability 1/5 Oskar's picture doesn't give points
Ingenuity 0/5 You copied Oskar's picture
Total 3/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I copied his not to steal credit but to show a visual demonstration that I was not able to create myself online Sorry.

Newton KAYODE - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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I do not see how you can't whip up a visual demonstration? If you know how to use the internet, you will surely know how to use paint or any drawing tool. I'm sorry but this just shows that your knowledge of the concept isn't very clear, since your explanation is also just one statement.

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 2/5 Statements are accurate, but answer isn't given or explained
Readability 1/5 Oskar's picture doesn't give points
Ingenuity 0/5 You copied Oskar's picture
Total 3/15 Dont copy from others next time (As judge I am allowed)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Elijah Frank
Mar 22, 2021

so in this horrible drawing I express that U set are monkeys and all the compounds in that set are squirrels and rodents, so the logic behind that to say that not all monkeys are squirrels is the following example: Imagine that U set is the universe and in the other sets they are galaxies, then planets, so if I say that all the universes are in planets, it is wrong because all the planets are in the universe (and we know that the universe is not composed only of planets so it is not true) (we can define them as "some"). The explanation is clear that the universe set is not necessarily the set of planets. The same goes for monkeys, monkeys are not necessarily squirrels. (The interesting thing about set theory is that we can never express everything is nothing, just in our mind).

@Elijah Frank - Would you like to join the Mathathon? I think you have already asked and you are actively posting solutions, so...if you want to you can join, there's one new spot :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Yes of course I want to join, I already have the solutions for the other two problems, I just need to post.

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Ok, you're in :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 Everything is clear but not very good-looking
Ingenuity 2/5 Venn diagram used
Total 11/15 Great job! I will update your score on the members and points note!

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

@Elijah Frank can I ask u something?

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Sure ask me

Elijah Frank - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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It's done,thanks:)

Agent T - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 4/5 Not very readable
Ingenuity 2/5 Nice use of analogy
Total 11/15 Great job! This is the smallest score table without this text

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Devbrat Dandotiya
Mar 22, 2021

Let S S denote the set of all squirrels, R R denote the set of all rodents and M M denote the set of all monkeys, we're given that,

All Squirrels are rodents

All rodents are monkeys i.e,

S R M S⊆R⊆ M

Which means that M M is the Universal Set of which R R is a subset and S S again is a subset of R R implying also of M M . For the required case to be true, i.e one that says "All monkeys are squirrels" we need M S M\subset S , but since already S M S\subset M , for the required condition to be true S = M S=M .

From the given two statements two conditions arise,

  • R R is a proper subset of M M , R < M R<M , not all elements of M M are in R R

Since S S is a subset of R R , S S will always be less than M M too.

  • R R is an improper subset of M M , R = M R=M , every element of M M is in R R

Since S S is a subset of R R , either it is a proper subset S < ( R = M ) S<(R=M) or an improper one S = ( R = M ) S=(R=M) .

In the above conditions, only one, S = ( R = M ) S=(R=M) or S = M S=M supports the required case, since it is not necessarily true that S = M S=M , it is not necessarily true that "All monkeys are squirrels" .

For the sake of generality we've not considered trivial improper subsets, or null subsets, though if R R is null, S S is also null which doesn't support the required case either.

Accuracy 5/5 Everything is correct
Readability 5/5 Proper latex has been used and well structured answer
Ingenuity 4/5 Set theory and set notation has been used well
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A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I was planning of using the venn diagram, got lazy and thought it'd be cliché, no worries, thanks though.

Devbrat Dandotiya - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Accuracy 4/5 Monkeys ain’t the Universal Set, we demigods exist too
Readability 5/5 Well structured answer
Ingenuity 3/5 Set theory has been well used
Total 12/15 Great job! Percy will update your score on the members and points note ?? \tiny\text{??}

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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Actually, monkeys is a universal set, they're subjective sets

Devbrat Dandotiya - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

Most Common Solution -

All squirrels are rodents. This means that every last squirrel on this planet is a rodent. This doesn't necessarily mean that all rodents are squirrels, here's how -

We can say that all apples are fruits. This doesn't mean all fruits are apples. Mangoes and bananas aren't apples. So, if all A are B, that doesn't mean all B are A.

So, not all rodents are squirrels.

Now, the second statement states, 'All rodents are monkeys' and again same thing, all rodents are monkeys, but not all monkeys are rodents.

Not all monkeys are rodents, which means that there are some monkeys that are not rodents. These monkeys aren't squirrels either, because all squirrels are rodents. Thus, the answer is No \boxed{\text{No}}

how to put text in a box.

It appears like B o t h a r e . . . \boxed{Both are...}

Aditya Mittal - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Try this \ (\boxed{\text{Bothare}}\)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

and how to make text larger. I know that \large and others are used but I don't understand the syntax

Aditya Mittal - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Try this \ (\large{\text{Bothare}}\)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Please notify me for this problem as well if any more solutions come (I don’t want to keep checking after I finish, may do if I somehow am able to correct all solutions)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Jason Gomez
Mar 22, 2021

Maybe being judge means you have to solve the problem first all the time?

Uh...maybe? Wdymn by that?

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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I was the first one to solve both the first and second problem

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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lmao no one other than you has solved this one yet

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member But it shows two solvers so someone else has also solved it (after I did)

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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@Jason Gomez No, it shows 1 solver by default. Its because I technically 'solved it'. I can see the views and solvers, so I know only the both of us have done it :P

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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@A Former Brilliant Member Heh but when I had solved it did show only one solver, maybe a bug, but usually it shows no number if no one solved it so.…

Jason Gomez - 2 months, 3 weeks ago

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