All Three Concurrency

Geometry Level 5

Triangle A B C ABC is drawn with B = 9 0 \angle B=90^{\circ} and A C = 1 AC=1 .

An angle bisector is drawn from A A hitting B C BC at D D . An altitude is drawn from B B hitting A C AC at E E . Finally, a median is drawn from C C hitting A B AB at F F .

Given that A D AD , B E BE , and C F CF are concurrent, then the area of triangle D E F DEF can be represented by 1 a + b c \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{a+b\sqrt{c}}} where a , b , c a,b,c are integers with c c square-free. Find a + b + c a+b+c .


The answer is 225.

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By Ceva's theorem , A B D E AB||DE . Δ D E F = Δ B D E \Delta DEF=\Delta BDE and D A E = B A D = A D E \angle DAE=\angle BAD=\angle ADE -we get A E = D E AE=DE

again Ceva gives, A E C E . C D B D = 1 \displaystyle \frac{AE}{CE}.\frac{CD}{BD}=1 .......... (1)

A E C E = B D C D = A B A C \displaystyle \frac{AE}{CE}=\frac{BD}{CD}= \frac{AB}{AC}

C E A C = A E A B = s i n C = A B A C \displaystyle \therefore \frac{CE}{AC}=\frac{AE}{AB}=sinC=\frac{AB}{AC} C E = A B \Rightarrow CE=AB

from (1) , A E C E = B D C D = A B A C \displaystyle \frac{AE}{CE}=\frac{BD}{CD}= \frac{AB}{AC} A E C E = B D C D = A B A C \therefore \frac{AE}{CE}=\frac{BD}{CD}=\frac{AB}{AC}

A C C E = A B + A C A C \therefore \frac{AC}{CE}=\frac{AB+AC}{AC} A C 2 = C E ( A B + A C ) \Rightarrow AC^2=CE(AB+AC) A B 2 + B C 2 = A B ( A B + A C ) \Rightarrow AB^2+BC^2=AB(AB+AC) B C 2 = A B . A C = A B \Rightarrow BC^2=AB.AC=AB

A B 2 + A B = 1 2 A B = 5 1 2 , B C = 5 1 2 \therefore AB^2+AB=1^2 \Rightarrow AB = \frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} , BC=\sqrt{ \frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}}

, D E = A E = A C C E = 1 A B = 1 5 1 2 = 3 5 4 \displaystyle \therefore DE=AE=AC-CE=1-AB=1-\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}=\frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{4}

By chasing angle bisecting theorem , B D = A B . B C A B + A C \displaystyle BD=\frac{AB.BC}{AB+AC}

Finally , Δ D E F = Δ B D E \Delta DEF=\Delta BDE = 1 2 . B D . D E =\frac{1}{2}.BD.DE

= 1 2 . A B . B C A B + A C . 3 5 4 \displaystyle =\frac{1}{2}.\frac{AB.BC}{AB+AC}.\frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{4}

= 1 2 . 5 1 2 . 5 1 2 5 1 2 + 1 . 3 5 4 \displaystyle =\frac{1}{2}.\frac{\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}.\sqrt{ \frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}} }{\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}+1}.\frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{4}

and it gets 1 68 5 + 152 \displaystyle \sqrt{\frac{1}{68\sqrt{5}+152}} , a + b + c = 225 a+b+c=225

I think you may have gained too much information from Ceva's theorem that the solution does not arise from fundamental facts. The actual fact I find is equating areas of the wanted triangle from two different equations that shape the whole thing. It is interesting to find that AF or FB is not easy to be determined without going through equating areas, I think. I tried with many triangles with all the rules and failed surprisingly. Correct me if I am wrong.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago

Correct! Derivations is achieved.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago
Daniel Liu
Jul 22, 2014

Solution outline:

Find that A B D E AB\parallel DE by Ceva's Theorem. Now we can effectively ignore C C since we are guaranteed to have C F CF be concurrent to A D AD and B E BE as long as C F CF passes through the midpoint of D E DE .

Note that A E = D E AE=DE because A D E = B A D = D A E \angle ADE = \angle BAD = \angle DAE .

Let B A D = θ \angle BAD = \theta and B D = x BD=x . We represent every line segment in terms of x x and θ \theta , and find that we get the equation 1 + 2 sin 2 2 θ = 1 tan 2 θ 1+\dfrac{2}{\sin^2 2\theta}=\dfrac{1}{\tan^2\theta} which resolves into cos θ = 5 + 1 2 \cos\theta=\dfrac{\sqrt{\sqrt{5}+1}}{2} after some algebra.

Thus, cos 2 θ = 5 1 2 \cos 2\theta = \dfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} and so A B = 5 1 2 AB=\dfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} . Compute B C = 5 1 2 BC=\sqrt{\dfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}} .

We compute that D E = 3 5 2 DE=\dfrac{3-\sqrt{5}}{2} by some similar triangle bashing. Draw a altitude from F F to D E DE with foot H H and compute that F H = 5 5 11 2 FH=\sqrt{\dfrac{5\sqrt{5}-11}{2}} with some more similar triangle bashing.

Thus, [ D E F ] = 1 2 ( 3 5 2 ) ( 5 5 11 2 ) = 1 152 + 68 5 [DEF]=\dfrac{1}{2}\cdot \left(\dfrac{3-\sqrt{5}}{2}\right)\left(\sqrt{\dfrac{5\sqrt{5}-11}{2}}\right)=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{152+68\sqrt{5}}} and our answer is 152 + 68 + 5 = 225 152+68+5=\boxed{225} .


I would love to see an elegant solution, since my solution is the first thing I thought of and is the straightforward, expected solution from bashing everything at first glance.

Too bad I couldn't solve the problem. I realized that DE must // AB but couldn't think of Ceva's theorem. Silly me! But here's another solution based on the fact that DE // AB

Thought: S Δ D E F = S Δ B E D = 1 2 B E D E sin α S_{\Delta DEF} = S_{\Delta BED} = \frac{1}{2}BE\cdot DE\cdot\sin\alpha

  • Let α \alpha be B E D A B E = A C B = α \angle BED \Rightarrow \angle ABE = \angle ACB = \alpha (Hope this series of equalities is clear to everyone)
  • Bisector theorem: B D A B = C D A C = C D ( 1 ) \frac{BD}{AB} = \frac{CD}{AC} = CD\quad (1)
  • Thales' theorem: D E A B = C E A C = C E ( 2 ) \frac{DE}{AB} = \frac{CE}{AC} = CE\quad(2)
  • Divide (1) by (2) B D D E = C D C E tan α = sin ( π 2 α ) = cos α \Rightarrow \frac{BD}{DE} = \frac{CD}{CE}\Rightarrow \tan\alpha = \sin(\frac{\pi}{2} - \alpha) = \cos\alpha sin 2 α + sin α 1 = 0 sin α = 5 1 2 \Rightarrow \sin^{2}\alpha + \sin\alpha - 1 = 0\Rightarrow \sin\alpha = \frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}
  • Compute A B = A C sin α = 5 1 2 AB = AC\cdot\sin\alpha=\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}
  • Compute cos ( α ) = 1 sin 2 α = 5 1 2 \cos(\alpha) = \sqrt{1-\sin^{2}\alpha} = \sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}} then compute B E = A B cos α = 5 1 2 5 1 2 = 5 2 BE = AB\cdot\cos\alpha = \frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}\cdot\sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2}} = \sqrt{\sqrt{5}-2} and A E = A B sin α = 3 5 2 AE = AB\cdot\sin\alpha = \frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{2}
  • D E = A E = 3 5 2 DE = AE = \frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{2} S = 1 2 5 2 3 5 2 5 1 2 = 1 152 + 68 5 \Rightarrow S = \frac{1}{2}\cdot\sqrt{\sqrt{5}-2}\cdot\frac{3-\sqrt{5}}{2}\cdot\frac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{152 + 68\sqrt{5}}}

Remarks: I'm not sure if this's elegant enough, still lots of calculation. I notice that C E = sin α CE = \sin\alpha . There may be some nice relations out there.

Anh Vu - 6 years, 10 months ago

Do you know how to make public a solution that I marked as private? Because I did that in this problem and I can't submit another answer or edit that one. Thanks.

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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No, I don't know; I think it is impossible. However, you can ask a staff member to do it for you.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 10 months ago

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OK, thanks anyway :D

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 10 months ago

@Calvin Lin , can you help me?

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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@Calvin Lin @Suyeon Khim @Peter Taylor someone oughta know how to get a solution public...

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, there isn't an easy way for me to get at a solution which you marked as private. I'd try to hunt for it.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 10 months ago

I used ceva's theorem as well as coordinate geometry to find coordinates of DEF and then found the area by area formula in coordinates. Totally inelegant though!

Ayush Garg - 5 years, 8 months ago

I notice that your cos θ \cos \theta is... greater than 1. My guess is that the concurrency of those 3 kinds of lines is impossible in this (right) triangle? Any thought?

Btw, the altitude of Δ D E F \Delta DEF is essentially BD, you can calculate tan θ \tan\theta and compute BD, which yields exactly the same as your FH.

Anh Vu - 6 years, 10 months ago

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My cos θ \cos\theta does exist... 5 + 1 2 < 1 \dfrac{\sqrt{\sqrt{5}+1}}{2} < 1 .

Also, yes, that is how I calculated FH: by finding BD.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Yeah, I guess the sqrt notation in your solution was kinda misplaced

Anh Vu - 6 years, 10 months ago

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@Anh Vu okay, I see my typo. Sorry.

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 10 months ago

I think that he made a little mistake, it should be cos θ = 5 + 1 2 \cos \theta=\dfrac{\sqrt{\sqrt{5}+1}}{2} . So the concurrence is possible as I showed in my solution that I hope that appears soon.

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 10 months ago

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I have proven that it is indeed concurrent at (0.185585165755868+, 0.236067977499790+) with origin at B.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago

I thought the same as you. 3 kinds of lines! Never have met! However, I finally found that the concurrency is indeed true!

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago

Correct! Derivation is achieved.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago
Maria Kozlowska
Mar 19, 2015

The ratio of AE/EC is in fact the golden ratio. The length of AB has a value of golden ratio as well. You can find the lengths of all segments resulting from intersection of cevians with original triangle sides quite simply. Then you get the area of the triangle DEF = Area ( ABC) - Area (AFE) - Area (FBD) - Area ( EDC). The result has a value of 2 φ φ 3 + φ φ 2 {\frac{-2 \; \sqrt{\varphi} \; \varphi^{3} + \sqrt{\varphi} \; \varphi}{2}}

Correct! The golden ratio is true. I like the expression of area in term of golden ratio.

Lu Chee Ket - 5 years, 6 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Nov 19, 2015

My approach is not the same. Although it is not as preferred, I find that it is special for a numerical analysis.

The critical fact is the area wanted can be found by two different expressions that coincide for fixed dimensions. One is obtainable from the whole triangle minus 3 triangles at each corner, while another one is obtainable from knowing 3 sides, all with one unknown and looking for a known.

Let AF = FB = h. To save from complicated workings, let me just elaborate the results.

Δ = h 2 1 4 h 2 ( 1 4 h 2 1 + 2 h ) \Delta = h^2 \sqrt{1 - 4 h^2}(1 - \frac {4 h^2}{1+ 2 h}) ,

Sides of it are h , h 5 6 h 1 + 2 h h, h \sqrt {\frac{5 - 6 h}{1 + 2 h}} and 2 h ( 1 4 h 2 ) 2 h (1 - 4 h^2) ; Δ = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) \Delta = \sqrt{s (s - a)(s - b)(s - c)} . {Correctness to all terms are guaranteed for comfortable readings.}

Knowing 1 a + b c \displaystyle \frac{1}{\sqrt {a + b \sqrt{c}}} , analysis is done for (a, b, c) of:

(152, 68, 5), (285, 11, 3), (1055, -531, 2), (513, -63, 11), (342, -12, 10), (2672, -895, 7) and (3677, -1377, 6).

Actual Excel's proximity:

h = 0.309016994374948

a = 0.309016994374948

b = 0.430884493294898

c = 0.381966011250105

s = 0.560933749459975

Area1 = 0.0573489701224549

Area2 = 0.0573489701224549

Only 1 152 + 68 5 \displaystyle \frac{1}{\sqrt {152 + 68 \sqrt{5}}} with parameters above shows that "All Three Concurrency" is true!

Area = 0.05734897012245476879526277200116+

It is interesting to meet with this question because all the 7 listed (a, b, c)'s can satisfy Area1 = Area2. Concurrency becomes the only fact to determine the sole answer such that (152, 68, 5) as all others cannot be concurrent.

Δ = h 2 1 4 h 2 ( 1 4 h 2 1 + 2 h ) = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) \Delta = h^2 \sqrt{1 - 4 h^2}(1 - \frac {4 h^2}{1+ 2 h})= \sqrt{s (s - a)(s - b)(s - c)} is not easy to solve if not by iteration from substitutions, while other factors to determine h were not found. f (h) formed seems to be a very high ordered function. With origin at B:

F(0, 0.309016994374948-), C(0.786151377757422+, 0)

A(0, 0.618033988749896-), D(0.300283106000778-, 0)

B(0, 0), E(0.300283106000778-, 0.381966011250105+)

Lengths and angles are all determined as a result. We can draw an exact triangle to see!

152 + 68 + 5 = 225 \boxed{225}

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