Find the Maximum Product!

Algebra Level 1

Given that a , a, b , b, and c c are positive reals such that a + b + c = 6 a+b+c=6 , find the maximum possible value of a b c abc .


The answer is 8.

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14 solutions

Zandra Vinegar Staff
Oct 28, 2015

This is a solution from first principles, that doesn't require the AM-GM theorem (although, this is a great AM-GM problem).

In summary: this algebra problem describes a geometric situation: "If a rectangular prism has a fixed total length of edges, what dimensions maximize the volume?" The solution is a cube, just like how, in two dimensions, if you have a fixed perimeter, the square is the most efficient way to entrap area.

This problem is awesome -- it lines up with our intuition that a , b , a, b, and c c should be treated symmetrically. You can read on for a deeper dive into these details.


NOSTALGIA

Remember the lab that you did in elementary or middle school, making all of the rectangles that have unit-side-lengths and a fixed total perimeter and comparing the areas.

You find that the long thin rectangles are very inefficient of course and that the square is the most efficient. But why?

PROOF THAT SQUARES ARE THE BEST

Here's a solid explanation of why squares are the most efficient rectangles for containing area. Let x x and y y be the dimensions of the rectangle. By fixing the perimeter, say to 2 C 2C you're guaranteeing that the perimeter = 2 x + 2 y = 2 C x + y = C = 2x+ 2y = 2C \rightarrow x+y=C . Therefore y = C x y=C-x and so, substituting to find the area: A r e a = x y = x ( C x ) = x 2 + C x Area = xy = x(C-x) = -x^2 + Cx . This is a quadratic expression that looks something like this green curve (a frown):

And therefore it has one maxima that is at the x x -value directly between the equation's two roots. Factoring 0 = x 2 + C x = x ( x + C ) 0=-x^2 + Cx = x (-x+C) , we get that the two roots are x = 0 x=0 and x = C x=C . Therefore, the maxima occurs at x = C 2 x=\frac{C}{2} , and that's our conclusion: to maximize C = x y C=xy , choose x = y = C 2 x=y=\frac{C}{2} .



PROOF THAT CUBES ARE THE BEST

But the given problem has 3 variables, not two, so we are not yet finished. And yet if you know and trust the fact now, that a square is the most efficient area-trapping rectangle given a fixed perimeter, then this problem is simply the 3-dimensional analog. If you believe this fact in 2D, 3D comes naturally.

Given that the total length of all edges of a rectangular prism added together ( 4 l + 4 w + 4 h 4l+4w+4h ) is fixed, what choice of l , h , and w l, h, \text{and} w maximize the volume, l h w lhw of the rectangular prism.

Proving that a cube is most efficient is a simple matter if you trust that a square is most efficient in 2D. Just imagine that for some strange reason, a non-cubic rectangular prism holds more area than a cube. A non-cubic rectangular prism would have at least 4 non-square faces. Choose one of those faces, say, without loss of generality, that it's a l × w l \times w face. Then without changing h h , we can trade length between l l and w w until they are equal, strictly increasing the area of the l × w l \times w face, and therefore, since h h is fixed, the area of the rectangular prism. Therefore, there's no reason for any side of the most efficient volume-containing rectangular prism to be anything but a square. Therefore, the most efficient rectangular prism is a cube.

OUR SPECIFIC CASE

That's why, in this case, with l + w + h l + w + h fixed as 6, and therefore the sum total of edges 4 l + 4 w + 4 h = 4 ( l + h + w ) 4l +4w + 4h = 4(l+h+w) fixed as 24, the way to maximize the volume, l h w lhw is to make l = w = h = 2 l=w=h=2 . Therefore l h w = 8 lhw=8 .

That's a lot of numbers!

I don't think you really need to do that. My way to find the answer was using the good fact about real numbers. The number 2 has 3 representations; 1,999... / 2 / 2,00...1 So the answer was just 2x2x2, and that's 8.

Easy one!

Gin's Alive - 5 years, 1 month ago

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Sorry, I might be stupid but could you explain it please?

Paula Rowińska - 5 years ago

You've got to be kidding me. All that for a single problem? Wow! :)

Refath Bari - 4 years, 11 months ago

In your proof that squares are the best, you have also derived the formula of the maxima or minima of a quadratic equation: X = -b/2a. This is because you said that the maxima occurs directly between the two roots, which is (-b+(root:b^2-4ac))/2a and (-b-(root:b^2-4ac))/2a. If you find the average of them (add each other and divide by 2), you can simplify and get the formula, which again shows that squares are the best. :)

Joel Kang - 4 years, 11 months ago

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Thank you for the elaboration, however, what proof do you speak of?

Refath Bari - 4 years, 11 months ago

Excelent!! Congragulations for such a good answer. I loved it.

Jamile Lima Leite - 4 years, 10 months ago

Wow! Excellent job

Prokash Shakkhar - 4 years, 5 months ago

Good job.Excellent!!!

D K - 2 years, 10 months ago

I just used trial and error

Florence Rodillas - 2 years, 3 months ago

What is a positive real?

Sebastian Raw - 2 years, 2 months ago

I still don’t see how y’all can justify this answer. If it was asking for 2+2+2=6 then it wouldn’t say a+b+c it would say a+a+a=6.

Nick Barlow - 9 months, 3 weeks ago

Very elegent but i read the question as being 3 different numbers (a =/ b =/ c) which led me to answer 6 (1+2+3=6, 1×2×3=6)

Alexander Purvis - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

A beautiful answer

ministic2001 - 5 years, 7 months ago
Kshitij Johary
Jul 7, 2014

Given that,

a + b + c = 6 , a + b + c = 3 × 2 , a + b + c 3 = 2 a + b + c = 6 \quad,\quad a + b + c = 3\times 2\quad,\quad \frac{a + b + c}{3} = 2 By Applying the Arithmetic Mean Geometric Mean Inequality , we have A M G M AM\ge GM , for maximum value of GM, AM = GM.

Therefore, a + b + c 3 = a b c 3 , 2 = a b c 3 \frac{a + b + c}{3} = \sqrt [ 3 ]{ abc } \quad,\quad 2=\sqrt [ 3 ]{ abc } Hence, the maximum value is a b c = 8 \boxed {abc = 8} .

if someone pointed this out already...sorry...but the fact that three different variables are used...means that three different positive real numbers are used. therefore...we CAN'T use 2x2x2 as that can only be represented by a formula that multiplies three variables that are the same...not different as in the Original Post. Because of this constraint, I don't know what the answer is.

Jon Landerman - 5 years ago

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yes ur absolutely correct, thats what even i have thought

MAINAK CHAUDHURI - 3 years, 2 months ago

If the solution is true, you should be able to go back to the two original formulas and insert your answer into them to prove what you are saying. I would like to see that done.

Jo Redding - 4 years, 10 months ago

sorry im not good at math. why is there a cube root of abc? thank you

Hanny Nor Azlan - 2 years, 11 months ago

Few constraints and a lot of assumptions to go by: 2 constraits: Numbers are whole and positive. Two assumptions (because of multiple precedents in other exercises) a unequals b unequals c. Otherwise (as per constraints you applied on all previous exercises) you would have had to note them as a+a+b or a+a+a (for your "cubic solution"). There's no sign between them, so it's likely supposed to be a multiplication. How, pray, can this multiplication then ever result in an 8 (0+2+4 is not valid because of zero)?

Fussldrach Kaosmacher - 1 year, 2 months ago

is AM arithmetic mean and GM geometric mean? :D

Clyde Sale - 6 years, 10 months ago

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Yes, AM is arithmetic mean and GM is geometric mean.

Kshitij Johary - 6 years, 10 months ago
Raymond Lin
Jul 13, 2014

By AM-GM, a + b + c 3 a b c 3 \frac{a+b+c}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{abc}

a + b + c = 6 a+b+c=6 , so a + b + c 3 = 2 \frac{a+b+c}{3}=2

2 a b c 3 2 \geq \sqrt[3]{abc}

8 a b c 8 \geq abc

So our answer is 8 \fbox{8} .

i wrote same solution but i pressed keep private, why is there a keep private button?

Mardokay Mosazghi - 6 years, 11 months ago

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ABC =8 prove that

Nick Ahebwa - 2 years, 1 month ago

Very nice.

juliet nawatha - 4 years, 11 months ago

Is it possible to present three different variables and then give them the same value as a solution? The a value shouldn't bem different from the b and c and vice-versa?

João Peça - 4 years, 9 months ago

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That would be my question aswell!

Thijs Gillissen - 4 years ago

Couldnt you simplify it by just doing 2+2+2=6 (a+b+c=6), since 2 is the highest you can add together same number to get 6 therefore (abc=?) 2×2×2=8. Math doesnt always got to be complicated formulas.

Ray Shatner - 2 years, 9 months ago

I and millions of others take abc to mean axbxc so the answer to us is 6 1x2x3 - I did not see any mention in the question that would make me think this was not a basic math problem- write the questions properly for us dummies

Don Ford - 2 years, 5 months ago

Out of 10 possible sets of solutions, (1,14),(1,2,3),(1,3,2).......(4,1,1)

only (2,2,2) will give maximum product value=8

However, a , b , c a,b,c need not be integers!

Victor Loh - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Well, in that case, I found 11.264 as large as possible. As follows: 1.6 x 2.2 x 3.2. u.u

Victor Hugo - 5 years, 3 months ago

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To Victor Hugo:

1.6 +2.2 + 3.2 = 7

...Nice try though!

Gin's Alive - 5 years, 1 month ago

Sir it is mentioned that a,b,c are positive real nos . !!!!

Saurabh Wadhwani - 6 years, 11 months ago

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All Positive Integers are Positive Real Numbers, but all Positive Real Numbers are not necessarily Positive Integers.
For example:
2.2 is a positive real number, but it isn't an integer.

What Victor is trying to say is that you cannot simply pick the integral values and choose the most suitable out of them when you are dealing with Real Numbers because there are infinite sets of possible values of a , b , c a,b,c which satisfy the condition a + b + c = 6 a+b+c=6 .

Rakshit Pandey - 6 years, 11 months ago
Avinash Kamath
Oct 3, 2016

Given, a+b+c=6, there are 3 numbers. Also given that value is maximum, value of 1 number = 6 3 \frac{6}{3} = 2.

abc = 2x2x2 = 8

Since a, b and c were used to represent the numbers I thought that each number had to be different. 3+2+1= 6. So 3×2×1= 6 But evidently I am wrong. Can someone please explain in simple language how and why I should have known

jesse byrd - 2 years, 1 month ago
Hemanth Koundinya
Aug 20, 2015

To product to be max the numbers must be equal Therefore given sum is a+b+c=6 a=b=c=2 Therefore abc=2 2 2=8

a x b x c = 8

I'm bumping into this question from the perspective of Basic Mathematics Warmups (value of abc) reading some solutions I assume abc means a x b x c and that the arithmetic operators are omitted. Must be some kind of notation I'm not aware of.

Allard Schmidt - 5 months ago
Galen Buhain
Sep 28, 2016

To product to be max the numbers must be equal Therefore given sum is a+b+c=6 a=b=c=2 Therefore abc=222=8

Andrew Wood
Nov 29, 2015

I don't know if i'm missing somethng here but what about 3,3,0 that would give us 9 as the maximum, I still count zero as a positive number

That would make it 3 times 3 times 0=0

Ben Gunn - 5 years, 2 months ago

a, b, c is positive real numbers.

Supaat Tohir Waras - 4 years, 9 months ago

Multiplying any number by zero gives zero hence (3,3,0) will give 3×3×0=0

Mandar Bhide - 4 years, 9 months ago

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Oh yeah ;-)

Gul Rukh - 2 years, 11 months ago

Point though ! :-D

Gul Rukh - 2 years, 11 months ago

For minimum... a=b=c

Under the circumstances that a,b, and c are positive reals, as a and b approach zero and c approaches 6, wouldn't the minimum be infinitely close to zero? Or another simpler contradiction to would be a=1, b=1, c=4 or a=1, b=2, c=3, which, when solving for abc, give the values 4 and 6, respectively. Actually, I believe that 8 is the maximum value of abc possible...

Byungjun Kim - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Yeah...I somehow don't think 8 is right!

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 11 months ago

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I'm sorry, it should be maximum

Victor Loh - 6 years, 11 months ago

You are right,, Its can be also said by AM-GM that 8 is the maximum value

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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I am sorry to ask, but...

what is here mentioned as AM and GM.. APOLOGIES

Vivek Vijayan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Vivek Vijayan Arithmetic mean and geometric mean.

Isaac Lu - 6 years, 11 months ago

Can you tell me a nice place to learn inequaltites in detail for maths olympiad from scratch (beginning) @Dinesh Chavan - (I've heard that you're good at it...so asked :)

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Krishna Ar Thanks @Krishna Ar , but sorry for a bit late reply, actually, I was busy with some work. So,actually, truels speaking, I started learning all these mathematical olympiad maths, including inequalities a few months earlier. So, if you need some good reference for inequalities, you should have a book of "A Perfect resource book; Indian National Mathematics Olympiad' by arihant, (Rajeev Manocha) can be the best to help you practice, I dont have any more special references other that AoPS and doing practise on brilliant, or downloading other artices of specialized topics

Dinesh Chavan - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Dinesh Chavan Thanks @Dinesh Chavan . WIll try to buy it. Does it serve good for RMO prep or there are other books?

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 11 months ago

Good Intelligent solving.

Nibir Das - 6 years, 11 months ago
Bostang Palaguna
May 25, 2020

by symmetry, the product will be maximum when a = b = c . Thus, abc = 2 x 2 x 2 = 8

Gerard Schneider
May 3, 2020

a+b+c= 6 6+2=8

a + b + c = 6 a + b + c = 6

Based on AM \ge GM

a + b + c 3 a b c 3 \frac { a+b+c }{ 3 } \ge \sqrt [ 3 ]{ abc }

6 3 a b c 3 \frac { 6 }{ 3 } \ge \sqrt [ 3 ]{ abc }

2 a b c 3 2\ge \sqrt [ 3 ]{ abc }

8 a b c 8\ge abc

So, the maximum value is 8 8 .

Why can't a or b or c be 1? The maximum possible would be 9.

3 x 3 x 1 = 9, but the numbers have to add up to 6, not 7. If one of them were 1 the other two numbers could at most be 2.5 x 2.5 (giving a maximum of 6.25 as the multiple).

Angela Sullivan - 5 years, 1 month ago

As pointed out by others, a, b, and c imply different real nonzero numbers, they cannot all be equal to 2, or you would have a, a, and a. Please be specific in your conditions and state that the numbers can repeat.

Jeffrey Clemens - 3 months, 1 week ago

The condition for this task is invalid. It was not said that abc are not the same, logically I assumed that a,b,c are distinct numbers. Then the correct answer would be 6.

Ярик Ден - 3 weeks, 4 days ago

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