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Algebra Level 3

Given that { x } \{x\} , x \lfloor x \rfloor , and x x form a geometric progression , find x x .

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The answer is 1.618.

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When { x } \{x\} , x \lfloor x \rfloor , and x x are in a geometric progression, then

{ x } x = x 2 Note that x = x + { x } { x } ( x + { x } ) = x 2 { x } 2 + x { x } x 2 = 0 Solving the quadratic for { x } \begin{aligned} \{x\}\blue x & = \lfloor x \rfloor^2 & \small \blue{\text{Note that }x = \lfloor x \rfloor + \{x\}} \\ \{x\}\blue{(\lfloor x \rfloor + \{x\})} & = \lfloor x \rfloor^2 \\ \{x\}^2 + \lfloor x \rfloor \{x\} - \lfloor x \rfloor^2 & = 0 & \small \blue{\text{Solving the quadratic for }\{x\}} \end{aligned}

{ x } = x + x 2 + 4 x 2 2 Since { x } 0 = ( 5 1 ) x 2 also { x } < 1 x = 1 = 5 1 2 = φ 1 where φ = 1 + 5 2 denotes the golden ratio. \begin{aligned} \implies \{x\} & = \frac {-\lfloor x \rfloor \blue + \sqrt{\lfloor x \rfloor ^2 + 4\lfloor x \rfloor ^2}}2 & \small \blue{\text{Since }\{x\} \ge 0} \\ & = \frac {(\sqrt 5 - 1)\lfloor x \rfloor}2 & \small \blue{\text{also }\{x\} < 1 \implies \lfloor x \rfloor = 1} \\ & = \frac {\sqrt 5 -1}2 = \blue \varphi - 1 & \small \blue{\text{where }\varphi = \frac {1+\sqrt 5}2 \text{ denotes the golden ratio.}} \end{aligned}

Then x = x + { x } = 1 + φ 1 = φ 1.62 x = \lfloor x \rfloor + \{x\} = 1 + \varphi -1 = \varphi \approx \boxed{1.62} .

How do you know {x} is less than 1?

Barry Leung - 10 months, 1 week ago

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By definition, fractional part 0 { x } < 1 0 \le \{x\} < 1 . Refer to the link in the problem.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 10 months, 1 week ago

{x} is the fractional part of any number ,i.e., the part after after decimal. So, it is always strictly less than 1.

Aditya Krishna Rao - 10 months, 1 week ago

x = 0 x=0 is a solution as well.

Vilakshan Gupta - 10 months, 1 week ago

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Yes, if 0 , 0 , 0 0, 0, 0 is considered a geometric progression.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 10 months, 1 week ago

0,0,0 is never a GP I think.

Samar Yadav - 10 months, 1 week ago

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What makes you think that? ( 0 , 0 , 0 ) (0,0,0) is a geometric progression and an arithematic progression as well. You can take any common ratio with the first term as 0 0 . Though it's a trivial G.P. Can you give a reason why it shouldn't be a G.P?

Vilakshan Gupta - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Vilakshan Gupta It makes me think that because in a GP we have to consider ratios and
0/0 is not defined. That is the reason that comes to my mind. I can be wrong also I am learning 13 year old.

Samar Yadav - 10 months ago

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@Samar Yadav Basically you define a G.P as a , a r , a r 2 , a,ar,ar^2,\cdots with the first term as a a and common ratio as r r .

There is no division in it.

Vilakshan Gupta - 10 months ago

just {x}<1⟹⌊x⌋=1 may confuse some ppl as {10.5} = 0.5 but ⌊10.5⌋ = 10,

of course consider together with the whole equation is alright.

Pop Wong - 10 months, 1 week ago
Pop Wong
Aug 7, 2020

{ x } , x and x are in a geometric progression, ratio = r \{x\}, \lfloor x\rfloor \text{ and } x \text{ are in a geometric progression, ratio} = r

  • a = { x } < 1 , x = a r is an integer, x = a r 2 \textcolor{#3D99F6}{a = \{x\} } < 1 , \lfloor x\rfloor = a \cdot r \text{ is an integer, } x = a \cdot r^2
  • { x } 0 else r = x { x } is not well defined \textcolor{#3D99F6}{ \{x\} \neq 0 } \hspace{20mm} \text{ else } r = \cfrac{\lfloor x\rfloor}{\{x\}} \text{is not well defined}
  • r = x x > 1 as x , x are same sign \textcolor{#3D99F6}{ r = \cfrac{x}{\lfloor x\rfloor} > 1 } \hspace{15mm} \text{ as } x, \lfloor x\rfloor \text{ are same sign }

x x { x } = 0 a r 2 a r a = 0 r 2 r 1 = 0 r = 1 + 5 2 neglect -ve as r > 1 \begin{aligned} x - \lfloor x\rfloor - \{x\} &= 0 \\ \Rightarrow ar^2 - ar - a &= 0 \\ r^2 - r - 1 &= 0 \\ \implies r &= \cfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} \hspace{10mm} \text {neglect -ve as } r > 1 \end{aligned} x x = { x } a r 2 a r = a a r ( r 1 ) = a a r ( 5 1 2 ) = a a r = 1 as x = a r 2 a > 1 contradiction x = a r 2 = a r r = 1 r = 1 + 5 2 which is ϕ golden ratio 1.618 \begin{aligned} x - \lfloor x\rfloor &= \{x\} \\ ar^2 - ar &= a \\ \boxed{ar}(r-1) &= a \\ \boxed{ar}\left(\cfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} \right) &= a \implies ar = 1 \hspace{10mm} \text{ as } \lfloor x\rfloor = ar \geq 2 \Rightarrow a > 1 \Rightarrow \text{contradiction} \\ \\ x &= ar^2 = ar\cdot r = 1 \cdot r \\ &= \boxed{ \cfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} } \hspace{20mm} \text{ which is } \phi \text{ golden ratio } \approx 1.618 \end{aligned}


{ x } = a = 1 r = 2 1 + 5 = 2 5 + 1 = 2 5 + 1 5 1 5 1 = 5 1 2 0.618 \begin{aligned} \{x\} &= a = \cfrac{1}{r} \\ &= \cfrac{2}{1+\sqrt{5} } = \cfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}+1} \\ &=\cfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}+1} \cdot \cfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{\sqrt{5}-1} \\ &= \cfrac{\sqrt{5}-1}{2} \approx 0.618 \end{aligned}

Toby M
Aug 8, 2020

We know that x { x } = x 2 x \{x\} = \lfloor x \rfloor ^2 . Obviously x x cannot be negative, since the left-hand side (LHS) will be negative and the right-hand side (RHS) will be positive. So x x must be positive given the condition x 0 x \ne 0 . In addition, x x cannot be an integer, since the LHS will always be 0 0 due to the term { x } \{x\} .

If 0 < x < 1 0 < x < 1 , the RHS will be 0 0 , and since { x } x 0 \{x\} \ne \lfloor x \rfloor \ne 0 , there is no solution. If 2 < x 2 < x however, then the RHS must be 4 4 , which forces { x } > 4 3 \{x\} > \frac{4}{3} , but this is impossible. Hence 1 < x < 2 1 < x < 2 . If x = 1 + a x = 1 + a , then we have the equation a ( 1 + a ) = 1 2 a 2 + a 1 = 0 a(1+a) = 1^2 \Rightarrow a^2+a-1 = 0 .

Using the quadratic formula, we get that: a = 1 2 ( 5 1 ) \boxed{a = \frac{1}{2}(\sqrt{5} - 1)}

so x = 1 + a = 1 + 5 2 x = 1 + a = \frac{1 + \sqrt5}{2} , which is just the golden ratio. The other root must be discarded since it is negative.

Just some minor problem...

If x = 1 + a , . . . . a 2 + a 1 = 0 a = 5 1 2 x = 1+a, .... a^2 + a - 1 = 0 \Rightarrow a = \cfrac{ \sqrt{5} -1 }{2} then x = 1 + a = 1 + 5 2 x = 1+a = \cfrac{ 1+ \sqrt{5} }{2}

Pop Wong - 10 months, 1 week ago

Thanks for the comment; I have now edited.

Toby M - 10 months ago

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